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Question Taller scope mounts or a butt pad?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Dag, Feb 20, 2014.

  1. Dag

    Dag Pro Poster

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    Browsing through one of the Airgun mags recently I began to take note of how different shooters hold the butt of their rifles to their shoulders. It got me thinking about how high the butt seems to be when I hold my TX200HC to my shoulder for me to look through the scope and whether I need to try higher scope mounts or buy an adjustable butt pad adaptor.
    I don't think the cost difference is all that great but wondered which route is the best one to go down.
    You'll see from the photo that the scope is quite close to the breech opening and at present the distance between centre lines (scope/barrel) is 50mm and the scope mounts are 35mm (grooves/centre).
    So my question is what should I do? My initial thoughts are that an increased mount height will give me a bit more clearance to the breech but are there any problems associated with increasing mount height? Indeed are there higher mounts available and what do other TX users do?
    Dag
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  2. mattyts

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    First thing is,are you comfortable with what you use now? if you are,don't change a thing,many people have their own setup.

    If not,I would get taller mounts and a bisley butt pad so you have more access to the breech area but you can also fine tune your positioning using the butt pad.
     
  3. Shooter22

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    Hi,

    If it was me I would purchase an adjustable butt pad before looking to buy taller mounts, 2 reasons, cost is one, the other being if you were to buy taller mounts you may find that you need to purchase an adjustable cheek piece as the scope will be sitting higher than it is now.
    Hope that helps

    Regards

    June
     
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  4. valboskie

    valboskie Busy Member

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    I just fitted a rowan engineering butt pad to my tx200 mk3
    Its a quality bit of kit .you have to use the rubber butt pad from your tx.
    I used an s400 rubber butt pad one on mine its also a perfect fit.
    Cheers
    David
     
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    i seen this before on here and took there advise shut your eyes and shoulder the rifle so its comfortable and when you open them see what you need to change. I now how medium mounts with an adjustable butt pad adjusted about an inch lower. Its perfect for me like people say its about whats comfortable. And when you shoot comfortably you start too see your groups tighten up good luck
     
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    Does the bisley pad give any extra length to the stock ?

    ATB Paul
     
  7. stevemandm

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    maybe 5mm or so extra length
     
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    personally, i would choose the adjustable buttpad first - if you get higher mounts, they are fixed, wheras the adjustable buttpad, is, well adjustable (if this makes sense)
     
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    A quick Thanks to all who have given advice and suggestions. I need to go through and consider everything that has been said and time is not on my side tonight, back tomorrow though!
    Ta again
    Dag
     
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    you need to careful less you end up a right mess... first things first you want good scope eye alignment. that may mean a smaller scope? lower mounts? higher mounts? stock spacers?
    if your finding your cheek "floating" above the comb your scope is to high main cause of this is the mounting of huge scopes! which could cause parallax errors or simply strain while taking aim. get that part sorted then look at stock fit. you may find the butt high on the shoulder while standing but low while prone... as always its a compromise.
    i fit an adjustable pad to my tx200 and just couldn't decide where to set it? high for prone... or low for standing... gave up and took it off. hope this is of some help.
     
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    I fit my scopes as close to the barrel as allowable to limit the amount the pellet has to travel to cross the scope eye line (if that makes sense). My B20 springer has the objective within 1/8" of the barrel and my s400 isn't far off that, my springer has a fixed butt pad and aligns perfectly but my pcp has an adjustable butt pad which I have set down to raise the gun 3/4". I wouldn't have it any other way but I have had to make my own objective lens covers out of painted photo card as the chunkier ones that come with a lot of scopes don't slip between the bell and barrel.....:up:
     
  12. Dag

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    So much good advice in all these posts and I'm really glad I asked for help.
    Two posts in particular kept drawing me back and these were by mattyts and render87. Pretty basic stuff I know but they both reminded me that what was important was whether I was comfortable with what I have and what I might end up with. Then mark177 made it clear that whatever position the butt pad is in it might not be correct when I change shooting position.
    These made me aware that the butt pad is high when I am shooting off a bean bag on a bench, which is about 90% of my shooting. When I did as render87 suggested and positioned the rifle to my shoulder while standing, and with my eyes shut, I found the hold and scope level felt perfect.
    I also looked at the adjustable butt pads and notice there is a big difference in price between the Rowan and the Bisley models, £48.50 against £16! Probably there is a difference in quality but the Bisley was repeatedly recommended.
    Now, it may be that it won't be fitted straight away but I have ordered a Bisley pad just in case. At £16 I'm not throwing away a fortune and I'm sure it is going to be fitted as I have to cure the not too comfortable hold when I'm at the bench. Before I fit it though I'm going to look carefully at the bench set-up and see why the hold is so different and what I can do either to my seating or the bench bags.
    I should also add that when I Gurgled adjustable butt pads I found a few threads including one on another Airgun forum by a GrumpyUK which gave excellent advice on removing the rubber pad and fitting a Bisley pad and its plates. Mmmm, GrumpyUK, now haven't I seen something like that name on here?
    Again, my thanks to everyone who replied to my question and gave advice.
    atb Dag
     
  13. Akita177

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    Adjustable butt pad could work though depending on the posistion you shoot from you could always be naturaly aiming low on target though, it already looks like you have high mounts to keep the same scope cutting an adjustable cheek peice could be better.
    If the majority of your shooting is standing get an adjustable butt pad so the stock isnt so high in your shoulder, and personaly for me a smaller front end scope with lower mounts.
    I love a lowerd but pad for standing and sitting but for bench rested or shooting prone its a hinderance for me.
     
  14. Dag

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    In case anyone comes across this thread and wonders what the end result was, I fitted the Bisley adjustable butt pad as shown below. It cost approx £17 from Amazing and was quite easy to fit. There was plenty of spare material to ensure it fitted much bigger pads than that on my TX200HC so with some careful scribing,sawing and finally filing I had the sizes just slightly bigger than the pad and now it just needs some fine filing and polishing up.
    My initial concern that the original pad might be glued as well as screwed was unfounded and once the two securing screws were removed with a size 1 posidrive I could get to work. I did need to drill and countersink one fixing hole as the existing one was I felt too near the edge of the wooden butt. This did reveal an empty hole when the Bisley pad was adjusted so I sawed a head off a screw and glued it in position purely for aesthetic reasons.
    I'm delighted with the result and the rifle is much more comfortable at my shoulder and my view down the scope improved enormously.
    Dag
     

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