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Suitability Of Using Winchester Co2 Rifles On A Rifle Range ( Fairground)

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by George Russell, Jan 8, 2020.

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    Hi, I am new to this site and was wondering if anyone had advice/ comments on the suitability of using co2 8 shot magazine Winchester underlever rifles using 177 pellets on the western themed rifle range I am building to travel to fairgrounds I attend. I am using 3 knock-down targets like the crow ones I have seen with holes of 20mm, 11mm & 8mm at a distance of 3mtrs for large soft toy prizes , if anyone has owned/ used one of these rifles do you think they would be accurate enough also would the co2 power be ok without getting rebounds at that distance and do you think the rifles would stand up to the amount of usage I hope they would be getting. I would be very grateful for any advice/pointers anyone can give me. Thank you
     
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    Sounds like an interesting project! I can still remember the days when the travelling fairgrounds would have a 0.22, rimfire, pump action rifles on a firing range and would have pingpong balls floating on water jets for the punters to shoot at.
     
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    My son just got one from his grandad for Christmas, it’s very nice power wise I’d say it would struggle to knock down a knock down target tbh
     
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    Hi George can't speak or vouch for the suitability of that particular rifle for such an enterprise but i assume you're familiar with the fact that you may need to get approval and clearance from the local council and the owner of whoever's land the fairground is pitched on for health and safety reasons etc,which may be the local council if it's a public space such as a town moor or park. As well as complying with any age related laws on youngsters using such guns on the range. Plus you will almost certainly be required to have some form of 3rd party insurance i would have thought.
    They're much tighter on this sort of thing now,if only for fear of being sued should an accident happen.
    As regards the rifle you mention i would have thought it would easily have sufficient power at the distance you mention i.e 3 mtrs. In fact i would think even many air pistols would have sufficient power at that distance , 3mtrsor 10ft approx.
     
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    Fairground guns are always bent ..that's why you never win a prize ..
     
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    I’d be concerned about their durability. They are mostly Mazak (aka “monkey metal”). Fine for an owner who knows how to handle and shoot them. Maybe less fine for days on end use by punters who don’t.
     
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    Thanks for your input, these are the sort of things I need to know. George
     
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    Hi, yes I remember them as a youngster, there are a few still operating at fairs but they are pretty rare, I think it is due to health & safety issues.
     
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    Hi Patrick, thanks for your input, I will check with our governing body ( The Showmans Guild Of Great Britain ) re the rules & regs regarding air rifle ranges, as I know we have to meet health & safety guidelines. as for the insurance, all Showmans Guild members must have a large public liability insurance cover before they can operate any kind of equipment at a fair. Thank you again for your help. George.
     
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    Three metres sounds very close for aperture targets, where a miss is going to hit some kind of faceplate. You'd be amazed at the damage lead splatter can inflict, even if there isn't a rebound as such.
     
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    Hi, thanks for your input, the durability is something I am concerned with so i'm hoping to get as many opinions as possible to help me decide if these are suitable. Thanks again. George
     
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    Thanks for your input, I am wondering if a different type of pellet ie flat headed would solve that problem. Thanks again. George
     
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    I doubt it. We shoot bench rest and lightweight sport rifle at 20 yards at our club, these use a thin card target held in an open-fronted box. The pellets pass through the card and hit a steel plate a couple of inches behind. It's not unusual to get pellets breaking into thin shards and puncturing the card targets from behind as they head back towards the shooter. And that's at 20 yards.

    Your best bet is to adopt a target with no perpendicular faces and an absorption method of capturing used pellets.
     
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    Sadly I think you’d be spending more time repairing them or replacing them than shooting them , my experiences with most of the co2 replica stuff is treat them with the upmost respect and I really don’t think the general public are going to adhere to that .
     
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    Just to add to my earlier post, the only airguns I have seen in use at fairgrounds over the years have been Haenel/Diana 4.4 repeaters (mostly on the continent), Gat rifles with corks, and Gamo, Gamo/BSA or Chinese break barrels.

    And those air tank powered Tommy gun things where you never shoot out the whole star target, despite great trigger control in 2-3 round bursts like you were clearing Princes Gate in 1980. You still want to own one yourself for the back garden, but never do.

    All, simple, durable, idiot-proof. Unlike the Umarex “Walther” “Winchester”.
     
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    I think that they would have to be well chained down and only able to shoot in the forward direction.
     
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    I think that depends on the proximity and level of supervision...
     
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    George if you go through with this project and i wish you success subject to what i've previously stated have you considered some of the cheaper Chinese offerings where airguns are concerned such as the SMK Victory XS501 it's Co2 poweredby two Co2 capsules so should give a fairly high number of shots and importantly it has an automatic safety,certainly where youngsters and other inexperienced people may be shooting the guns and it only costs £150.
    As for knockdown targets i think they only require about 1ft.lb energy to knock them down so virtually any airgun at used at 3mtrs/10 feet would be suitable.
     
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    Jeez, I can't remember when I last saw a large travelling fairground; with the thundering generators, blazing lights, loud music, screams and laughter from the rides, candy floss, brandy snaps, toffee apples, the crack of 0.22 rimfires, and monster haulage trucks.

    I wonder if rifles fitted with lasers and light sensitive reactive targets could be an easier way to go.
     

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