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Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Sniper Zero, Jan 29, 2008.

  1. Sniper Zero

    Sniper Zero Active Member

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    What do you lot think of the Desert Eagle in CO2?
    Thinking of getting one at the right price.
     
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    That gun is a big no-no, stay away.
     
  3. sirok

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    I've 3 CO2 pistols, umarex beretta, colt 1911 and walther CP99 - all nickel and they are lots of fun for plinking cans at 10 to 15 metres, thats about it on range. They look nice and are nice to handle but wouldn't really say much else about CO2 pistols.

    Power isn't great, once I've my license here in a few weeks I'll be getting a Walther P22 .22lr - while I can before I go to London end of the year at which point I'll have to resell - bit crazy the UK pistol team for the Olympics has to train overseas as its illegal for them to practise in the UK.

    In the UK I also read you can have serious problems with proper replicas
     
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    british gun laws are a walk in the park:rolleyes:

    (well a very big one anyway):eek:
     
  5. Sniper Zero

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    Cheers guys, listen this FAC thing....what is it? FireArms Certificate?

    Cognition, please elaborate buddy!
     
  6. a1gunner

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    yep basicly lets you have guns over 12ftlbs
     
  7. sirok

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    thought I would put up what I was talking about before, the restrictions I had read about in the UK regarding imitations,

    the link is as follows:

    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/ukpga_20060038_en_1#36


    below is a cut an paste of certain parts of the Violent Crime Reduction Act that I found interesting
    imitation firearms

    36 Manufacture, import and sale of realistic imitation firearms

    (1) A person is guilty of an offence if—

    (d) he brings a realistic imitation firearm into Great Britain or causes one to be brought into Great Britain.

    Presumably I would be guilty then of bringing in my replica CO2 pistols....although not sure - are these for sale in the UK??



    (7) A realistic imitation firearm brought into Great Britain shall be liable to forfeiture under the customs and excise Acts.

    not a pretty picture considering I'd paid about 200 EUR each for them, hate to hand them over to some customs official of then brings them home to plink cans.


    (9) An offence under this section shall be punishable, on summary conviction—
    (a) in England and Wales, with imprisonment for a term not exceeding 51 weeks or with a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or with both


    yikes!:(



    38 Meaning of “realistic imitation firearm”

    (1) In sections 36 and 37 “realistic imitation firearm” means an imitation firearm which—
    (a) has an appearance that is so realistic as to make it indistinguishable, for all practical purposes, from a real firearm; and
    (b) is neither a de-activated firearm nor itself an antique.
    (2) For the purposes of this section, an imitation firearm is not (except by virtue of subsection (3)(b)) to be regarded as distinguishable from a real firearm for any practical purpose if it could be so distinguished only
    (a) by an expert; true for my CO2 pistols

    (b) on a close examination; or also true in my case
    (c) as a result of an attempt to load or to fire it. also true


    so if you're in the UK sniper I think you could have problems but perhaps somebody here could give us more details for those that have replica CO2 pistols, are they for sale? and if so, are they classified as firearms and hence you need an FAC for a CO2 pistol even if its below the 6 limit.


    I'm shuddering the thought of having to leave them behind with my in-laws here on the continent when I move to the UK....


    and as one last point to your original question, I like my CO2 pistols but don't think I would buy another one and also think I should only have ever bought one. They are nice for plinking but thats it....unless you have a serious rat problem and your barn is full of them, then they could be somewhat more useful:D
     
  8. andyhawkx3

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    All airguns are classed as firearms....Is that clear to you
     
  9. Buzz

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    This "immitation gun " thing confuses me too. It says they can't be bought or sold, but yet several gun shops I've been in recently are still selling them. Now they wouldn't be selling the if they couldn't, because it would ruin their business if caught, so I don't know just what is and isn't legal !!
     
  10. Sniper Zero

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    I kinda figured all air guns are classed as firearms. So what does the FAC entitle and how much?
     
  11. Buzz

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    You have to have a Fire Arm Certificate for any gun over 12 ft/lbs except a shotgun and for that you need a Shotgun Certificate. The cost of either is very cheap considering...I think they are around £50 each and that lasts for 5 years. If you have BOTH, they can be coterminous....ending at the same time....and then you get both for something like £60 if processed simultaneously.
    The stupid thing is that a Shotgun Cert is pretty damned easy to get and that allows you to own an almost limitless number of shotguns (limited only by your security level) and up to 12,000 cartridges of 12 bore size. BUT, if you have an air rifle that's only 13ft/lbs you need a Fire Arm Cert that is MUCH harder to get.

    The Law is crazy !!!!!!!
     
  12. andyhawkx3

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    Yep that abt covers it buzz, u can have your semi-auto 12g on your firearms, if u up rate the amount u can load in to the shotgun, i.e. from 3 shell's to 8. Andy
     
  13. sirok

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    I don't live in the UK and haven't taken the time nor will I be likely to any time soon to review UK legislation. The reason I asked the question is I didn't know and thought along the lines that an FAC entitled you to hold firearms, but an air rifle under the 12 limit didn't require declaration nor certification and so I understood that by default it wasn't considered a firearm under UK legislations ....it was just my interpretation BUT you've sparked my curiousity and I'll go looking for the legal definition when I get a minute to spare.
     
  14. andyhawkx3

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    When u come to the uk, what ever area u come to, phone up that area (Police)local firearms dept, they may be able to answer your questions, just a thought...best of luck Andy
     

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