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Springer recoil...question for you guys

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Batz, May 21, 2014.

  1. Batz

    Batz Busy Member

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    In a powerful springer what is going to recoil more .177 or .22? I have been
    looking online and checking sites and they are talking about the artillery hold.
    Never owned or shot a magnum springer before but may be buying one soon.
     
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    The .177 requires more energy (as it's less efficient in terms of air use) so will recoil more. That is assuming you have two of the same rifle making the same energy, one in .177 and one in .22.
     
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    I would of thought that there shouldn't be any difference. If the muzzle energy is the same, then the force required from the mainspring to propel the pellet should be the same and therefore the noise from the mainspring should be the same. I may be wrong though.
     
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    I think the .22 would be just a bit better. I had an AA Pro Elite in .22 and one in .177. The .22 put out 22 ft. lbs. and the .177 put out 20 ft. lbs. The .22 always seemed just a bit more tame, but both were a handful in factory FAC tune.
     
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    I read that somewhere else I think. The .177 in a spring has more twang/recoil than the .22 but in pcp it's recoiless?
     
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    Nope, what Jackroadkill says is right, all things being equal to get the same energy a .177 will need a stronger spring than a .22 so will have more recoil. Born out in fact pretty consistently, .177 versions are renowned for being more of a handful than the .22 ones.
     
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    My Webley longbow .22 does seem to recoil less than my AA TX200 in .177, but it's probably very little difference, not enough to raise an eyebrow as it were. I must confess though, all these discussions regarding recoil in air rifles, do make me smile a bit, after all, the recoil felt from an air rifle is about the least you will feel from any non tricked up firearm, yet air gunners treat recoil as if it's the spawn of satan!

    Pah! ya'all just a bunch of spoilt PCP pussies!:laff:

    Yeah I know, sod off Gandalf!!!:D
     
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    Both at the same power .22 will be smoother as less air and energy is needed to get the pellet upto speed.
    As you talking high power springers i would go for the .22, as high powerd .177 the pellets can lose stability., it depends what power levels you are thing off?

    In the UK with have 12ftlb limit .22 is smoother at this power but as a down side the pellets come out of the barrel approx 200fps slower, at 12ftlb all my guns are .177.
     
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    It all depends on the working of each gun, Spring guild and top hat material ( metal or not) and the fit tight or loose fitting, piston and or spring guild sleeves fitted, and even down to the lube used.
    All are different.

    The main thing is to let the gun move during the firing cycle, so lightness of hold is paramount.

    I would say hold it like you would your woman, but some of you could like it rough !!
     
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    Agreed with JRK, an un-tuned .177 will feel a bit more lively than an un-tuned .22. Tuned guns will feel a bit smoother but then that's because they've been tuned to make them handle better, innit?
     
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    If we assume no tuning, no modifications, and pick two standard and identical guns from any manufacturer, one in .177 and one in .22, in almost all instances the .22 is going to have a nicer perceived shot cycle.

    One or two gun designs (and weight) seem to mitigate the more lively .177 firing cycle.

    As an example though, take two HW95's, one in each calibre, each one averaging, say, 11 foot pounds.

    Strip them down.

    Put the mainsprings side by side.

    The .177 mainspring is a couple of inches longer than the .22 one. It is also under more preload when you reassemble the guns and is therefore under more compression before you even start to cock it.

    As a result, the .177 mainspring is having to do far more over the same distance to spit the smaller pellet out at the same 11 FPE as the identical model .22 rifle. When you cock the gun you are also having to compress far more spring into the same volume of space.

    It's pointless comparing the firing cycle of totally different make and model guns.

    Tuned is something else entirely - you can selectively implement different factors when tuning a rifle to take the calibre into account and make either one shoot beautifully.

    As far as out of the box and bog standard factory rifles go, a .22 will almost always shoot nicer than a .177, and cocking effort will usually be different too.
     

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