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Speculative- Agf Benchrest Postal Comp

Discussion in 'Target Shooting' started by Wofty, Oct 10, 2019 at 6:58 AM.

  1. Wofty

    Wofty Cleverer than the average bear Booboo!

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    Hi chaps and ladies,

    I'm considering running an AGF postal benchrest compo so speculating for interest and formats.

    Due to my work situation I'm not home often so for me, I like the idea of postal comps.
    From next April 2020 I'll be working 6 week on/off tours hopefully.
    So I'd like to start a series of rounds giving plenty of time for peeps to get an entry in. I can then score the cards and start the next round.

    I'm looking for feedback on format and numbers.
    My initial thoughts are:-
    25m benchrest pcp
    25m benchrest springer
    20m benchrest peep sights

    I wanted to include all air rifle types to allow folk to participate with their favourites or have an excuse to drag an old target gun out. You could enter one or all classes.

    In the spirit of @mikeyhall1 open sights compo this would be largely informal with lots of banter.
    Rules to be discussed and agreed upon but expect rigid distances.
    I'd like to give home plinkers a chance to have a purpose to their shooting or likewise a range visit.

    Scoring method to be discussed and agreed upon.
    Each round winners to be announced and round closing dates and target postal closure dates also will be announced.

    Numbers depending I would try and get some little trophies and stickers made up for end of rounds aggregate champions.

    Thoughts and discussion below please.

    Thanks for looking

    Mike
     
  2. hamza

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    If it’s a distance I can shoot at the local club I’d be up for it. They only have 10 and 20yard for bench rest or 25 yards for prone.
     
  3. rangelandrob

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    I would be interested in PCP and springer. I have no rifle with peep sights:eek:
    I do not want to get too techy so soon but have you thought about what type of rests are to be used? (Fully clamped, bipod or bag, rear bag) Is there to be a max mag for scopes or will it be open to all equipment?
    Sorry to complicate things, but comps start out shooting off 1 bag or bi pod then escalate if you don't specify
     
  4. Wofty

    Wofty Cleverer than the average bear Booboo!

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    I listed all types of airguns to keep it open for anyone that wants to compete and not springers vs pcp. I'll be doing all three but you could do any category or all. Each type would have separate scores at the end of each round.
    Peep sights would be open to pcp and springers. I think 3 classes may already be too diluted for prospective competitors.

    Wrt rest. Any except rests that join front to rear. I don't realistically think many would have full on £1k clamp rests.

    Wrt to distance. I think 25m is good as this follows national benchrest and any competitors could use this as practise. I specified 20m for peep sights as folk with vintage target or bell target rifles can have a go. I will have to test peep sight distance over xmas to find out if standard benchrest targets can be used or a different format.
    From my own pov I can shoot accurately to 25m with a standard pistol bull. I would want to make peeps useable so I couldn't say more until tested.

    Wrt scopes. Anything you have. Maybe there could be a cap? I don't want anyone to think they need to buy stuff but I don't want to limit what is a specialised discipline. It's not as easy as some folk think it is here!


    I'm hoping to do some testing over my xmas break and come up with a standard printable target for all.
    The only costs would be printing targets and posting at the end of each round.

    Prospective competitor numbers pending, all is so far just speculation to get an idea of numbers.
    I could always start an informal round to kick things off with pictures posted here and see how we go.

    My thoughts are lots of members have nice pcp's and springers that they enjoy garden shooting with and range trips. I personally like a goal which is why I like mikey halls open sight springer compo. It's a good excuse to get out shooting with a little edge and there may be tinware(teeny) up for the grab!

    Keep your thoughts coming and I'll try and get some hard rules to best accommodate the majority.
     
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  5. Phil S410F

    Phil S410F Engaging Member

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    I would be up for it.

    If I benchrest I can print decent groups with the S400 MPR 10m at 25 metres/yards (keep forgetting what it is at the range). This has open sights (dioptre) and a massive 5.6lbft so I'm not sure why you would need to limit it to 20m/yds.

    In terms of benchrest rests why not adopt the UBKRA rules. Just a thought as they are out there and easily available via a google search.
     
  6. Wofty

    Wofty Cleverer than the average bear Booboo!

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    Are you using the 25yrd BR targets for your MPR?
    I've not tried so have no idea what the sight picture is like.

    Ref UKBR rules
    http://www.ukbr22.org.uk/index.html

    I think mostly we would run with them. No need for weighing guns etc.

    Also does anyone here compete in the above linked postal comp?

    If it's a case of treading on toes then maybe we should be looking at an informal pics posted here as scoring should be easy enough.
     
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    I have to put the smallest ring in the tunnel but it is a useable sight picture with the 25yd prone targets (10 diagram NSRA things)
     
  8. Wofty

    Wofty Cleverer than the average bear Booboo!

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    I spied them. Without seeing in the flesh they look similar to a 10m air rifle target.
    That's (10m) what I use out to 25m with my fwb300s. And I agree on accuracy.
    I'm not sure if Mikey hall will change rules regarding recoiless springers. But the proposed peep sight class may infringe on his compo.
    The difference being we shoot groups of 5 not single targets and group size is measured.
     
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    I think I'd be interested in this, depends a lot on distances and the rules for it.

    I don't know what classes as Bench Rest - my thought is on a front sandbag and shouldered. Probably not that! Lol
     
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    I think they are slightly bigger diagrams than the 10m air rifle targets. I'm trying to find said 10m targets (I have a few from previous practice sessions and can't remember where I put them) so I can put a picture up of the 10m and 25yd benchrest targets side by side.
     
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  11. Wofty

    Wofty Cleverer than the average bear Booboo!

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    Hi
    Hi Keith,
    Currently I'm just gathering interest.
    On my searches though I've now seen the UKBR postal comp and Umarex Boys Club do an internet compo.
    So.... I'm leaning more towards a more casual pop your target cards up here monthly with monthly winner and end of year champ. And rules to be more lenient than UKBR to accommodate the casual shooter who wants a bit of fun.
     
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  12. Curlyhunter.22

    Curlyhunter.22 Better to be p****d off the p****d on.

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    Im in.... i like the idea of it...

    At the end of the day the posted judge gets final say...

    CC
     
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    I’m not sure what bench rest is I’ll have a look . But I’m in with a springer. Is it scoped or or peep ? If 25 m I’m ok with peep or a prosport for scoped
     
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    I'm in.
    Need indoor and outdoor classes and some real honesty for this too work...
     
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    I'd be interested in this also - may I suggest we use one standard target that can be printed on A4 with a set margin so all of them are the same size and can be printed by anyone with a printer?
     
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  16. Wofty

    Wofty Cleverer than the average bear Booboo!

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    Absolutely agree Jesim.
    I think a standardised A4 printable target is key to a fair contest.
    I'll make one up over the weekend and post here for people to test.

    I'll also get some rules and definitions laid out plus scoring rules.
    These can then be discussed and agreed upon for the greater benefit.
     
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    This sounds great, there are targets, on crafty geek that you can print off
     
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    Here are some targets, possibly not what we are looking at for a comp, they may be best based on an NRSA blank?? but a good source of print your own type stuff for anyone who wants them for practice..…… https://www.airrifle.co.za/library/AA_Targets/
     
  19. Wofty

    Wofty Cleverer than the average bear Booboo!

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    Righto chaps, I have targets...........
    Turns out it's a bit of a chore getting the correct dimension targets on A4. Anyway I've had to do two sheets consisting of 25 targets and 2 sighters.
    I've printed them out and the dimensions appear correct. I only have a crappy deskjet to hand running out of ink so definition wasn't as crisp as I'd like.
    The 'fit to page' box needs to be ticked in print options otherwise they will print small.
    Outer diameter of 5 ring should be 39mm. Bull should be 2mm.
    Let me know how they turn out and if any editing is required.
    If anyone knows of a good drawing (free) program I can make from scratch as copying and resizing targets from the net looses definition. Also my graphic programmes don't draw circles concentrically from the centre. They loop out from a corner which is bloody tedious!
    Hopefully the below will copy as correct size :thumb:
    Beta rules to follow soon.

    EDIT. TARGETS NOW UPDATED; REF PAGE 3.

    AGF BR25-1.jpg
    AGF BR25-2.jpg
     
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  20. Wofty

    Wofty Cleverer than the average bear Booboo!

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    And below is the scoring method which I believe follows the normal rules.

    BR02.jpg

    'Best edge rules':
    So a clean shot within a ring scores the relevant number - Orange
    A broken ring scores the highest number - Green
    A broken bull scores 10 - Blue
    An obliterated bull scores 10 X - Red
    Flyer out of box scores 0

    Highest obtainable score = 250 / 25X
    nX to be used for numerical tiebreak. Even numerical and X's = Noted Tie

    Note. One shot per target only x25 targets.
    Pic is demonstration of scoring.
     
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