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So, are there any facts ?

Discussion in 'Night Vision Optics and Illumination' started by snapperspike, Feb 13, 2014.

  1. snapperspike

    snapperspike Engaging Member

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    Ok, without battering me for the fact !
    I've a Nitesite NS200.
    Would I ACTUALLY see an improvement by changing the cam to an e700 board type ??
    The second question is, is there now an near eye display available at a reasonable price, that gives suitable resolution ??
    Easy questions eh !! :D:D
     
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    Yes but not enough to be worth the cost and effort
    No (if only!)
    easy answers too.
     
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    not sure if its the same for the ns200 but on the ns50 i belive they do not remove the ir filter off the cam thus removing it increases performance etc might be worth having a look inside to see
     
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    Just my sort of man!!
    Cheers, suspected as much, but you always have to "ask the great and good" !!
    Saved me some money I suppose as well, thanks :D
     
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    Just another thought.
    Is there an add on that would be any measurably better than the NS200 ?
    I've got a NM800 I'm going to experiment with as the IR source instead of the inbuilt IR, but I don't want to go dedicated sight, not with everything I need to stick it on !
    I've just wondered about some of the claims about homebrew NV vs the NS, and if it's about as good as you can get without going scopeless !
     
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    The NS200 is, reportedly, quite a good unit although it's not cheap. There are a couple of new units which should be available in the very near future which are supposed to offer better performance for the same sort of price and some other improvements so it's worth waiting a while for reviews etc if you're considering going down that route.
    DIY units can also have better performance at a significantly lower price but need some skills to get a neat appearance comparable to the commercial offerings. Obviously cost and performance will depend on your choice of components and that includes camera, lens, scope adapter, scope and illuminator plus the monitor or viewing device - all are important.
    The scope does lose a lot of light which is why a scopeless can be much more sensitive.
     
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    Thanks for that.
    Hmm, the build isn't a problem (electronics background !), but even including a Watec or e700 based system, I wasn't sure the difference would be enough to justify the effort, as you said.
    I've looked at the Starlight Arrow, but it appears to be a e700 type board cam with near eye display.
    Had a BRIEF look at Wardyvision (amazing what you can do with "smoke" an mirrors :).)
    But they all seem to be of similar performance/specs.
    So really, I've come to a bit of a dead end.
    Bar image intensifiers (not what I want), then it seems there isn't really a great deal of improvement to be made.
    I'm highly dubious about the new Nitesight units, especially the claimed 27hrs runtime, because they appear to have simply used a e700 cam, with improved IR leds (they told me at the factory, just up the road from me, a while ago that was due)
    Ah well, Ho Hum, just have to have a thunk for a while, and see if I can dream something else up - it could be a long wait !! :D
    Thanks for the advise though.
     
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    The electronics isn't really the difficult bit although tidying up the wiring causes some problems. The actual mechanical parts are what makes the difference in appearance and usability.
    The e700 and ej230 cameras perform well and are better than most of the cameras used previously, much of this I believe is down to the actual makers implementation of the firmware and the signal processing.
    The current new feature is the use of near eye displays and oled screens, I don't see much change in the cameras or illumination side of things as the e700 etc are not likely to be improved on although there are now hd cameras available but they require an hdmi monitor to work.
    There are some other units likely to be available soon and they will probably offer increased performance. However an e700 with the right accessories will enable you to shoot out to 250 yards - do you want to shoot further than that? A very expensive Gen 3 add on will enable you to do that but won't be as flexible as a decent digital set up and may cost more than your car! There's something out there to suit most needs and pockets and prices are coming down,, probably due to competition and increased demand.
     
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    Well, your quite right Terry, I don't want to shoot further than (and indeed don't much now) 200yds at night
    I tend to call Charlie in to 100 - 150yds generally !
    I suppose, it's just wanting to know what the "envelope" is at the moment !
    To be honest, the NS200 is quite good, and as I have a hedge in the field next to me that is exactly 200yds away, I know it's good for a little further than that, as identifiable targets, not just eye shine.
    Ah well, I guess I'll investigate the switchable monitor/ eye wear/spotter route until things become a little cheaper on the oled front !
    Thanks for all the info, much appreciated.
     
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    I recently contacted a Chinese oled supplier for prices they started at $430 to over $1500. There must be cheaper ones but I've given up the hunt and sticking to old CRT from camcorders.. I'm working on a scopeless crt system at the moment.
     
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    Near eye viewer great resolution[​IMG]
     
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    Nice, where did you get that mate.?
     
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    It's not mine ash off of nv forum is putting if on his prism build ile get link off him think it was around £140 tho
     
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    That could be a future upgrade for my design. Would be very interested in finding out more about that unit.
     
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    There's a few pics of it on various sites, but the problem is that it's lowish res (not 680X480) and if you look at the pic of it with the top off, it would be very difficult to reduce the length by altering the screen position, so your stuck with it's original dimensions.
    The one from Oriscape is probably a better bet BUT at £150.
     
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    £150 is certainly the most I could consider spending, but I may look into it if I get my mid year bonus from work. I will look into the viewer you recommended cheers
     
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    Ash reckons it like looking at his wide screen tv but sounds same one
     
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    Cheers Dave and snapper really helpful. interweb search here I come
     

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