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Smk Cp-1 M .177 First Thoughts

Discussion in 'Air Pistols' started by Jayme G, Oct 20, 2019.

  1. Jayme G

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    Hi guys,
    I know there’s loads of posts about this great pistol so I won’t bore you with what’s already been said.

    This pistol arrived about 45 minutes ago from PellPax using their face to face service. The guy was polite and a few minutes ahead of time which was good.
    The pistol came with a CO2 already inserted and pierced?! Which I thought was odd for a new gun. Even came with a tag saying ‘CO2 FITTED’.
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    I was confused by this as remembering back to my replica BB air pistol, leaving the CO2 in a gun is bad for the seals (I’ve seen 1 or 2 of my friends air pistol seals go on a relatively new gun which I think was from leaving the gas in there when not in use). I also know you should keep gas in a PCP gun to keep the valves from sticking so I’m not too sure on this as it wasn’t advertised with a CO2?

    I have two gripes with this gun, which I immediately spotted.
    1) The rear sight is sitting on the p*ss quite a bit, and it annoys me every time I sight the gun. Disappointed as I prefer iron sights on my pistols and don’t fancy a scope on it. 741F9688-62DE-4AB5-95E8-637F36F807F8.jpeg

    When I first shot it I was struggling to get groups smaller than 3” but after 3 mags it started to close up. The gun come shooting 4” high but when I adjusted the rear sight all the way down I found out the adjustment screw interferes with the bolt. Meaning if you lower your rear sight it locks on the bolt so you can’t even cock the gun.

    The gun also come with a nasty dink in the bolt
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    I’ve heard the trigger is adjustable but there’s no holes to adjust it through the trigger guard like a normal gun, am I right in saying the whole trigger group has to be removed to adjust it? Additionally the trigger pull really isn’t too bad on mine, perhaps they’ve changed it a bit but I’m guessing it’s around 2lb at the moment, a lot lighter than my 10/22 trigger and that’s been honed.

    Also also found the trigger guard to be on the smaller side? But that could just be being picky?

    Overall this isn’t a negative post as I need to shoot this gun a lot more. It’s really me pointing stuff out that I’ve noticed and don’t think has been covered yet, and I would like to hear back from anyone who has noticed anything like this.
     
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  2. gingernut

    gingernut Well-Known Member

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    Don't worry about co2 in a cylinder gun like this.
    Probably good for it
     
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    Brewie Well-Known Member

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    Hi, I don't know about that make not having one myself,i have bought from Pelpax twice,as you say very good service,mysel I think I would get in touch with them and point out the issues with the pistol,They do seem very helpful when ordering over the phone.:)
     
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  4. Brewie

    Brewie Well-Known Member

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    Ive herd different tales as regards leaving co2 in,its not something I do ,seems to be a bit of an unknown,somes say its fine,others not,Dont relly know the best answer on that.
     
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    If you're not happy with it - send it back....simples!
    Regardless of anything else, the rear sight should not be on the p**s like that and it'll substantially devalue it if you sold it on.
    If you've only just bought it you're covered under the distance selling regulations anyway.
     
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    It’s just annoying because I don’t want to send it back as I won’t have it for a couple of weeks whilst they get a spare sight for it. I’ve noticed the hole for the pin that holds the rear sight on has been drilled at an angle. I think this could be an easy fix so I’ll probably take it to work to have a look.
     
  7. Jayme G

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    For what it’s worth I’ll probably just take the canister out. I have a box of the things left over from my BB pistol days.
     
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    Hello Jayme,
    I reckon the bulb would not have been in the gun long, possibly the day [or two days] before delivery. They would have put it in at Pellpax to zero your gun somewhere close before sending it out, which means they would also have seen the rearsight. You are also right in your assumption that they should not be left for long periods with a bulb fitted. I would say overnight is fine, anything else not. ;)

    I have never used the opens on mine so I am sorry to hear about it interfering with the bolt. Could you possibly fit a washer or similar to pack it out slightly? or use a shorter bolt, or report it to them and say you are not happy.

    All that aside the CP1 is a fantastic little gun.
    :thumb:
     
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    hello, just buy some crosman pell gun oil and dab a bit on the capsule nozzle every new one, lubricates seal, and i kept the capsules warm before use ratting in winter, small bag with side pocket for hand warmer
     
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    my only gripe is canisters getting stuck, the front sight was wonky but I straightened that, everything else is good
     
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    Quite simply - SEND IT BACK FOR A REPLACEMENT at Pellpax’s cost and time.

    The CP1 is a mega pistol, so you deserve to have a good one as after all you have parted with the full money for this.

    I’m EXTREMELY disappointed that there’s a Co2 bulb in the gun, because as it’s not “scoped” Pellpax have no reason to sight it up - and if they for some reason did Sight it up (doubtful) then I’m annoyed that the issues were not spotted. After all how can you Sight up a gun with p****d sights....

    If I’m honest, I think you’ve been sent out a returned gun...... that’s what all the evidence leads me to believe so that bulb could’ve been in there for ages.
     
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    no, they did the same with mine a couple of years ago, it came with gas in and the label on the trigger guard saying so, I just thought it was part of their pre-post checks and a vague attempt at zero/make sure it works
     
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    Fair enough, but they managed to Sight up a pistol with damaged sights.......... and even though they’ll probably have loads of these pistols in stock they thought sod it, we’ll send it anyway...

    I’m sorry but that’s not good at all.
     
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    Pellpax would have put the co2 capsule in to ensure that the gun worked with no leaks.

    Makes sense when you are driving miles to deliver stuff.

    I doubt they zeroed it.

    When I buy a new co2 gun from a shop I often ask them to gas it up for me. Ive had a couple of ' blowers ' on recent purchases and its really annoying when it happens at home!
     
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    Cheers mate this does make sense. I’ve emailed them about it with pictures. I was going to let it slide but I shot it again and I was automatically canting the gun to compensate which wasn’t good.
     
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    Mate you’ll never be confident with it now, best to start with a fresh one ;)
     
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    Yeah the bottom of the screw needs grinding off I think but I’ve emailed them about the wonky sights so hopefully they will sort all that out for me.
     
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    I don't know if you've ever read the thread on the kozak rifle!, some of the ones sold by pellpax ,delivered too customers were damaged /faulty ,have a look at the old kozak thread ,don't just take my word for it. send it back its faulty and damaged ,you paid for a new one ,not a damaged s/hand one.
     
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    I’ll check that out now. Thank you for that! :rolleyes:
     
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    As already noted Pellpax make a habit of sending these guns out with Co2 bulb fitted. I don't believe we should assume that the pistol is second hand as a result of that but do believe that the sights are wonky as you rightly say and they shouldn't be. Get 'em to sort it out.
    :thumb:
     

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