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slings

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Speed, Oct 18, 2014.

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muzzle direction on sling

Poll closed Oct 23, 2014.
  1. pointing up

    33 vote(s)
    58.9%
  2. pointing down

    23 vote(s)
    41.1%
  1. bhodge

    bhodge Post Whore

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    To be honest my preference is to sling the gun with the muzzle pointing upwards. But with my latest hunting tool I let gravity decide...and 'it' decided that it would be downwards! It's a Mk2 TX200hc, and as you all probably know the TX's tend to be front heavy. So for me it's - down (with the TX), and up (with anything else).
     
  2. loki_79

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    I prefer upwards for the reasons mentioned in the thread already, but since many/all clubs appear to adopt the 'down only' policy, I try to get slings that can be used either way around.

    There are two main reasons for my preference, one that applies to all air rifles is that with the muzzle down you are not only more likely to damage your gun, but also much more likely to pick up a bit of dirt in the end of your barrel. The other one, is that if I leave my right handed side lever open (another safety policy I don't agree with), it is now digging into my side rather than facing away from me as it is with muzzle up. I know I could use me left shoulder, but that just feels wrong.
     
  3. wobblybootie

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    When yomping non tactically ie just to get from A to B (not something I do a great deal of nowadays) I have always slung the rifle unloaded and muzzle up for comfort. Saying that I can remember taking a breather during a long yomp in heavy rain I noticed water running out of the ejection port having travelled down the barrel!! I had forgotten the condom!! However if moving tactically as with an advance to contact, militarily speaking, stalking towards a potential ambush area or if there is the chance of a snap shot target the weapon is loaded and NEVER slung. Just my 2p's worth
     
  4. Andy Wales

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    The next pellet and blast of air will blow most, if not all water clean out the pointy bit ;), not that I'm saying it's a good idea to get rain down there and should be avoided if possible of course :)


    Same here if stalking/hunting. Always locked and loaded lol. Safety off if I know there are corvids/rabbits nearby too as just the click of the safety can spook them sometimes I have found. I do of course keep my index finger well away from the trigger at all times when I do this, usually in line above the trigger guard. I have an auto safety on my rifle which is much safer in my opinion. I leave it on of course when the rifle is shouldered facing UP. It's only usually shouldered when walking from the 4x4 to the barns or fields etc or for an area where I am going that's a long walk away.
     
  5. sharpsman

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    Another vote for up for me its more comfy and keeps the barrel out of the mud.
     
  6. Hoodster

    Hoodster Engaging Member

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    I watched an episode of myth busters and the particular episode was tackling the myth off can a bullet thats fired straight up kill on its return to earth the answer was no if fired straight up but put a slight tilt on the trajectory so the bullet would arc and the story was quite different.
     
  7. milek

    milek Honorary Member

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    I prefer barrel up no doubt about it and quite honestly if safety is well disciplined at any club this is not the time when danger exists; on the line is where I have seen some of the scariest moments in our sport.
     
  8. Lee67

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    Oh most definitely ...pointed rifles with loaded mags spring to mind!!!
     
  9. milek

    milek Honorary Member

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    On various occasions I have watched a loaded rifle with no safety catch swung through a line of shooters. I know it's hard to do but it's everyone's duty to say something.
     
  10. steevie dan

    steevie dan Big Poster

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    I have seen and felt what can happen with it pointed down when a friends gun accidently discharged onto a stone in the ground then hit me in the neck, so now it's up or I don't stay with others.
     
  11. cloverleaf

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    Yup.. it's this sort of attitude that really puts me off joining an HFT club; as much as I'd like to compete. Having been initiated into shooting through a smallbore club safety has always been (and rightly so) heavily drummed into me from the off. No excuses, no "laughing it off" - anyone doing anything unsafe needs a talking to; pure and simple.

    Noobs obviously deserve a little slack, but seasonsed shooters who should know better or try and laugh if off deserve nothing other than a comprehensive bollocking. Behaviour like swinging a loaded rifle across a load of people is inexcusible and would most probably get you banned from a smallbore or fullbore club (as indeed it should).

    While letting stuff like this slide might make thing easier in the short term, it's absolutely not worth the risk / hassle having such unsafe individuals at clubs - IMO clubs should have no qualms whatsoever about expelling those who persistantly breach / take a blase approach to safety regs.

    As you say, while difficult it's everyone's place to pull up others on unsafe practices - if more people had the guts to do this I think clubs would be much safer places :up:
     
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  12. chevin

    chevin Keyboard Hero

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    When at the range I point it down, when I got my perm no1 the farmer insisted that when I'm moving around the yard pointing up and so do as I'm told, he says if he see's the barrel pointing at the sky he's happy,

    So both for me.
     
  13. Greg1983

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    I keep it pointed up to the sky when walking around the fields on a perm just to avoid kneeling down and scuffing the muzzle in dirt.. and pointed to the ground when around public foot paths/house or farm house so if the gun ever does discharge its the floor that gets it and no member of public or near by houses or cars :) lets face it what goes up must come down :D
     
  14. r10hunter

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    I think it's a shame many Airgun clubs teach that the only safe way is muzzle down as in many situations it's not. Muzzle awareness and thinking about your surroundings and weapon you are using is what matters.
    Cheers Andy
     
  15. OzzyJ

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    In many senses I agree with you but being 6ft4 and having club members a foot shorter without too much 'muzzle awareness' i am glad we have a muzzle down rule.
     
  16. scottroutledge

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    When slung over my shoulder the muzzle is always pointing up and when carrying it I have the muzzle pointing down this can cause problems as I'm clumsy when walking! Lol
     
  17. Andy Wales

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    Some of the reasons stated here are why I always prefer to be out shooting alone to be honest. It's just far safer all round. A very worrying situation the post here where a club member swung a loaded air rifle across a number of fellow members. No doubt an absent minded accident and not done with any ill intent at all, but this is why I prefer to shoot alone.

    Every Sunday morning, I take my father to my mates farm and we do some target shooting together for a few hours (It's well away from the farm itself so nobody around). He has no auto-safety on his rifle which does concern me a little. He's a pretty healthy and reasonably fit man for 79, but of course his mind isn't as quick as it once was and he can be a little forgetful lets say on times when I know for a fact theres a pellet in the rifle and she's cocked ready to fire. I had to mention it today to him once which is probably why I'm telling you now. He got a little grumpy for a moment and said oh, I knew it was and I knew what I was doing, it was pointing up to the sky anyway lol, but I knew different. But all I can do is just be as aware as I can and keep an eye on things as I know he enjoys it so I would never dream of not taking him and it's only once a week and to be fair, today was the first time. As I said, I prefer to shoot alone really.

    Can you imagine the damage an air rifle could do, just three feet or so away with an accidental discharge just at the moment it's pointing towards someones eye when passing across them?......Doesn't bear thinking about really does it?

    So a question to the FT/HFT club guys. Just how often does this kind of thing happen in the clubs? (Please don't name people or clubs obviously, this isn't an inquisition just a simple question of interest on general saftey). It may even help me decide if I ever want to join a club with all those loaded guns around lol :)
     
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  18. byker28i

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    Muzzle up, for all the reasons given above, plus depends where you are. Muzzle down whilst crossing roads, farmyards with solid floors etc would lead to ricochets.
     
  19. milek

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    I have visited many HFT clubs, nationals and regionals and I can say that at those events I have never witnessed poor gun handling. Marshals along the course are well versed in looking out for this type of thing are quick to act and with the backing of the organisers the marshals take no crap. At local shoots I have personally pulled up around five shooters for poor safety; no names, no pack drill, they know who they are. Sometimes someone will come and ask me to have a word with a shooter who they feel might be "wayward" with their barrel. Immediately the response is either "it's not loaded" or "the safety's on", both easily dismissed with a "we don't know that. However, I have only had to argue with one person who thought that having the gun loaded but the safety catch on was acceptable and that they would continue to walk around with the rifle in that state; that was at an AGF meet :(
     
  20. gasman

    gasman How do they know I've got Gas?

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    been reading this thread, funny coz early Saturday morning I copped a face full of .270 'LOADED' :eek: and that was from a EX WO1 RSM,he had his gun muzzle up on his shoulder kneeling down looking though his binos ,plus that's a fair old bit of lead to send up in the air god knows what or who it will hit coming back down :(.me muzzle down with all the firearms I use and have used
     

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