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Simple choice: Which rifle are you going to take out for rabbits?

Discussion in 'Firearms Certificate (FAC) Guns' started by RodN, May 12, 2015.

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Which rifle are you going to take out to shoot rabbits as your first choice?

  1. .17HMR

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  2. .22LR

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  1. 69chris

    69chris Donator

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    i bought my hmr 1st and loved it from day one, bought a couple of .22's after and in all honesty, other than the lack of noise they offer i dont know if id really miss not having one (or 2 :D)

    im waiting for a hopeful variation at the mo, depending how it goes im going to have to make the choice between which i keep out of my r/f's as ill only have room to keep one as what fits in my rifle cabinet dictates what i have, gotta have a limit or id end up with one of every caliber lol !!!
     
  2. Elk hunter

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    I'm fortunate enough not to have the hmr forced apon me by Leicestershire police and have .22 LR then a .22 k hornet nothing inbetween.

    I find the LR is such a versatile round being able use subs an HV ammo. With practice and ammo testing it is not hard to shoot rabbits at 100/120 yards with subs any further using HV. It's as quite as an air rile or load like a 17. Does not make a mess of quarry and the ammo is way cheaper.

    But the biggest thing for me is untill sako finnfire mark2 came out there wasnt manufacture making a good looking or well built .17. Look at the savage the bolt is just crude and Marlin lets not go there. I know some will not agree but I'm lucky to own some very nice .22 and most modern rifles RF in any calibre are dull.

    Almost forgot .17 don't come in auto major floor in my oppinion.

    Andrew

    Bottom 3 rifles all .22lr and nothing like them in 17. Hmr out there.

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  3. harry brown

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    Ahem, steady on pal! Nothing wrong with this HMR's looks and it comes already screwcut...:)

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  4. Elk hunter

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    Your right it is screw cut but still ugly.....and you know it.

    Holy cow did you get thoses Binos from the charity shop, they to are ugly! :eek:


    Andrew
     
  5. gasman

    gasman Up a bit,,,,,,,

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    [​IMG] Here's a good looking .17 Andrew :rolleyes:
     
  6. Kyska

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    Andrew

    Saying you've never owned a HMR its a bit harsh to criticise them.

    you have the liberty to own a CF to bridge the gap, many don't, the hmr is a perfect gap filler from LR to a calibre with more legs rather than going for a CF calibre.

    Many cut their teeth with lr and hmr nowadays, it's not a helpful post tbh.

    Nice rifles by the way.
     
  7. Elk hunter

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    Rich

    Twenty years back I owned a .22 WMR is was a great rifle and round but my argument still stands I had a very nice magnum rifle unlike today's. My hornet does every thing the 17 does and I can reload it, the LR is a proven round for a hundred years or more.

    My post still stands up.

    Andrew
     
  8. gargloit

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    A word to the windy, who prefer to take their .22lr if it's blowing. At 100 yards in a 90 degree 15mph cross wind an HMR will drift 4.88". A.22lr subsonic will drift 4.28". If 0.6" at 100 yards in a 15 mph cross wind makes a significant difference to you then please give my regards to the rest of the Olympic squad when you next compete. :)
     
  9. Kyska

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    Yup, agreed, but most new shooters won't get a CF for rabbit control, the hmr/WMR is a perfect bridge between the two.

    You're privileged to have such nice tools, but current rifles aren't that bad enough not to own one, I suppose it depends on how much onus you put on engineering compared to functionality.

    My hmr is a bog standard cz, ugly as sin, synthetic stock, but shoots absolutely Bob on, absolutely reliable, perfect for my pest control needs!
     
  10. Elk hunter

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    I don't know of many shooters who have CF for rabbits on their ticket although I am one. The 17 is not a perfect round in the slightest, when was the last time you heard of a .22lr with breech failure due the round malfunction. Or cases split on inspection before use let alone after fired. There's the FEOs debate on wheather it's fit to shoot a fox or not.

    If you with to go down the munufactures route fine. The 17 is a terribly made rifle for the uk maket, but as you say functional. Like a hammer there of plenty of cheap one to buy and will do exactly the same as a well ballanced quality one. Some of the bolts I've seen on theses rifles feel like dragging wood over sandpaper and many are just plain ugly.

    Here in the uk .17 are made commercially by Savage, CZ, Marlin, Anschutz, sako, And Browning.
    Compare this to the .22lr Browning, CZ, Savage, Marlin, Styre, Walther, Winchester, Sako, Rugar, Remmintion, Kimberly, Anschutz, Tomson, Volquarsten, Sig along with different models within the range.

    I know all of the above is either fact or my personal opinion and will carry little Wieght in the world. But many owners of theses rifles they are their pride and joy so it would be nice to own a rifle with good lines, well ballance and a quality finish.

    Andrew
     
  11. harry brown

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    Add Steyr, Wiehrach, Remmington (model 5) Ruger, :)
     
  12. RodN

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    OK... coming back to this...

    Would there be an advantage in me looking at the same rifle in both .17HMR and .22LR?
    For example a CZ455 in each calibre. (I am thinking new for both).

    Then comes the question .... 16" or 20"? (and why)

    and... a question that I haven't seen asked in any of the forum posts here...
    When applying for a FAC, amount of ammunition: 600 held / 500 to buy. That will restrict me to split the total number between the two calibres effectively halving the amount for each? (Bearing in mind I would have a round trip of 60 miles to the RFD).

    Cheers
    Rod
     
  13. Jackroadkill

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    No, that's for each calibre. I have hold 500, purchase 400 for .22lr and the same for .17hmr, so potentially I could have 1000 rimfire rounds at any one point.
     
  14. 69chris

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    there is no limit on how many you can buy anymore, just how many you can hold :up:
     
  15. gargloit

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    Not really, other than that you can't go wrong with a CZ bolt action, both on price and quality.

    16" for both. With .22 the powder in subsonic rounds is burnt up by 16" down the barrel. With HMR the velocity lost is minimal.
     
  16. harry brown

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    I think the CZ455 has interchangable barrels? So you can swap the barrels on the same action. No need for two guns. I don't think I'd go that route but that's a personal preference.
    I agree with Gargloit, CZ bolt action are very good value for money. Not quite as refined in terms of finish, as Sako or Anschutz but just as accurate for my needs. The CZ synthetic black stock is much better than some others out there and takes a knock without a problem. If you fancy a wooden stock later, they come up on ebay fairly cheaply from people who have swapped over to synthetic.

    My CZ 452 .22LR

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  17. chrisinselwyn

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    When I shoot it's for the pot..... Has to be quiet so it's a suppressed .22lr every time

    if I want to slaughter them at long range because I don't feel like walking suppose I could use my .223

    Chris
     
  18. RodN

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    Which brings to mind a Youtube video I saw recently. With a .223 the rabbits simply exploded. :eek:
     

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