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Should I buy a super10?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by .22 Benny, Feb 26, 2014.

  1. .22 Benny

    .22 Benny Engaging Member

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    Basically a friend of mine has an old super10 hanging around that he doesn't want anymore that i'm interested in buying. It shoots spot on and seems to be in reasonable condition. My question is though how much are they worth and are there any common issues with them (Besides the bottle O-rings failing), i'm not sure what model the gun is but the gun is cocked by simply drawing the bolt back so that rules out mk3. It has the fugly lump of wood as a stock so if I had to guess i'd assume it's a mk1.

    Any info you guys had would be much appreciated.
     
  2. 1961nuffield

    1961nuffield Honorary Member

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    They are good rifles, the actions are basically the same with all mk's its just the stocks that change. If they need a service and you can do them yourself, with a couple of collets, if it doesn't leak then its probably fine.

    £180 is cheap £250 normal and the later ones are £375.

    Carbines and full length available.

    HTH

    John
     
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  3. cloverleaf

    cloverleaf Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    An "acquired taste"; sorry to disagree with John above, but IMO:

    The Mk1 has more value as a collector's item than a working gun.. there was a valuation thread on here a while ago; try searching the sales graveyard for the resultant ad to get an idea of an appropriate price. I think a value of around £250 was mooted for one in good nick; obviously less if it's a sh*tter :p

    Personally I hate the bloody things and wouldn't give them house room - the regs are notoriously unreliable, as are the mags and they're not particularly easy or straightforward to work on or set up. If you get the tools and knowledge to re-seal the reg yourself and are happy to spend the time on it more power to you - if not it will cost £80-100 to get BSA or Bowkett to sort it out for you.

    If you do decide to buy; thoroughly check its consistency and muzzle energy over the chrono- if it shows any weird behaviour chances are the reg's goosed - walk away or offer £50 for it. Also check that the mags index properly; presenting every chamber to the breech. These were sloppy to start with any only get worse with wear; meaning they skip chambers when indexing ;)
     
  4. gunsnlandies

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    I've got a mk2 and it does its job well. Never had any problems with it at all. Had to swill one of the mags out with wd40 to get some grit out and buy some bottle seals. Other than that, no problems.
     
  5. .22 Benny

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    So... back to looking for a cheap hw100 then? :p
     
  6. 1961nuffield

    1961nuffield Honorary Member

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    Have a play with it and make your own mind up, they were called the poor mans Theoben in their day, I have three and have had no problems with them when I'd set them up. If its cheap I'd give it a go.

    John
     
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    I had a Mk3 Blueprinted in .177 it was a very accurate bit of kit only sold it as I bought an R-10 hth .............. :coffee:
     
  8. Tripleteer

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    I have a superten And it's a superbly accurate gun and for me that's what it's all about and if you can get one for £180 bite his hand off and then send it to John Bowket for a blueprint tune and it will come back better than when it was new FACT. ATB Paul.
     
  9. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Identifying your Super 10 from the stock!

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    mark 1 with scalloped stock!

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    Rare Realtree dipped mark 2
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    Mark 2 carbine (they sold them with those silencers as without them the barrel length is shorter than the airbottle)... Note flat bottom of stock.

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    mark 3 carbine note R10 like lip near airbottle!

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    Mark 3 bull barrel carbine with XTX adaptor, Twink Mk 2 silencer and a full Bowkett blueprint and CS800 stock..... MMMMMMMM!
     
  10. harryholic

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    Have owned two - a full length real-tree, and a standard carbine. Both Mk2's
    Never had any issues with circa ten years of ownership.
    Mag's did get sticky after a few years, but that was WD40 to resolve, and after a decade - buying a new mag.

    High shot count over other non-premium PCP's is their key benefit.

    Early 2000's they were around £500 new - not a cheap gun, and although not a Daystate or a Theoben, were pretty competent and practical. Current equivalent the R10 is a 650 to 700 item, so even at £300 if everything works well, they represent good value to me.

    Did recall after the first few years on the market, the regulators were discussed as not something the home enthusiast should look at repairing, and were a replace item if they failed. Other guns on the market were more "tinkering friendly".

    As someone who always enjoys a good plink before heading off on a bit of hunting, sub 100 shot per fill guns just don't cut the mustard.

    Have in the past year picked up some of the all metal double mag's - 10 shots, pull out, turn over insert and you get another 10 shots, which has made them even more practical in the field.

    Later Mk3's are - to my eyes - some of the most attractive buddy bottle rifles on the market. - From what I've read the R10 replacing the S10, was more about parts commonality with other guns in the range bring production costs down, than it being an outright better device.
     
  11. .22 Benny

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    Thanks for the posts fellas, from the pictures moley posted it's a mk2 carbine. Put it over the chrony and it's shooting bisley magnums at 680fps with about 8fps spread over about 20 shots, the only issue is i'm not sure on the weight of the magnums as there's no info on the tin. Internet told me they're 10.5grain so it should be putting out about 10.8ft/lbs? Is lacking 1 ft/lb going to make much difference? Asides from that the gun seems fine, havn't really talked prices yet but i'm thinking £200-250.
     
  12. tinmanofkent

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    I bought my BSA Superten brand new in 1998. When it works it is bliss, but it has been a lot of agro from the start. The magazines drop to bits and I have found the regulator to be unreliable. When one month old the regulator failed resulting in a wounded rabbit I couldn't take another shot at as the barrel jammed. I have spent way more than the original purchase price on countless repairs over the years. I only keep it as it was an 18th birthday gift. Would never buy another.
     
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    i have had 2 off these first 1 a mk2 full length in .22 witch i have just finished working on fitted a fast fill kit no moor removing the bottle and skeleton and re finish the stock

    2nd was the mk2 reel-tree camo carbine in .22

    and they wear both great guns just get the new red mags
     
  14. cloverleaf

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    The most commonly touted mass for the Bis Mags is 10.6gn, which would give you a muzzle energy of 10.9ftlb. This is a bit low but not the end of the world; although bear in mind that it will most likely be even lower with lighter pellets. In addition, I'd tread very carefully as reg seal failure allows the reg to partially or totally pressurise; causing the output pressure to rise and muzzle energy to fall ;)
     
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    i like mine and will love it if i pull my finger out and send it off to jb
     
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    Akita177 The Absolute State of Britian podcast

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    Witnessing all the multishot problems with old and brandnew BSAs i wouldnt touch a multi shot i dont wish to sound negative but my experience with multishot BSAs has been very bad, i dont like the design or function of the magazines either.
    I feel sorry for the new shooters that turn up with brandnew Ultras/scorpions full setups and there first experience is mags not working or jamming even to the point that the mags wont even come out of the gun.
     
  17. secretagentmole

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    Should have had it blueprinted, lifetime warranty on it then!

    I have never had a problem with any of mine, most reliable gun ever owned!
     
  18. .22 Benny

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    So if I get it blueprinted he'l reset the regulator power? Would it be worth it for an old gun? I get on with the gun well enough. It's what, £125 for the blueprint and then another £20 to send, £20 to get sent back? Saying I can get the gun for £250 I guess we're looking at just over £400. Worth it?
     
  19. cloverleaf

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    Yes, a blueprint should sort any reg problems. As to whether it's worth it - in terms of market value, probably not (might be worth £300-350 when finished..?) to you; only you can answer that ;)
     
  20. secretagentmole

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    You will get it back with a rebuilt (as new) regulator, new hammer spring and assebly, fettled trigger, barrel crown and breech, probe, it is basically like getting a new gun, he will also balance the spring to the hammer action on the rifle, tell you what pellets are most accurate in it from the large variety he tests with.

    It is worth it as it will basically be a new gun when you get it back, then save up buy a CS stock for it and nobody will know what mark you have got!
     

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