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Shooting Magpies In My Garden??

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Mike Watkins, Apr 26, 2019.

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  1. Mike Watkins

    Mike Watkins Woody Woodgate

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    Hi all. I’m more than a little confused over the latest problem with the control of wild birds, mainly of course pest species like crows, jackdaws and magpies. I’ve been on the government website and am not sure what the situation is with pest control in our own gardens, ie can I still freely shoot Magpies? Does anyone know? I love my wild birds and would be devastated if the corvids were allowed to take over!
     
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    in a word NO
     
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    Douglas Soal Pistol enthusiast for life.

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    People will still do it though, how could you stop them.
     
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    Sky Top Poster

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    You never could.
     
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    This is blanket prohibition which could result in another drop in the number of small song-birds in our gardens.

    A story:
    I once had reason to report an act of negligent driving to my local police officer after I saw a guy reading a newspaper while driving his car (albeit slowly) along a traffic congested road. The desk officer told me that "Had it been observed by a police officer it would have constituted an offence." I queried this and asked it was not an outright offence and he reiterated the statement, "Had it been observed by a police officer it would have constituted an offence." "So it's only an offence if a copper sees it, then," I said and he blanked me. End of story.

    Question.
    If no representative of the law (or anyone else for that matter) sees a breach of the law, is it an offence? Just asking.
     
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    They need to see the evidence. That's all I'm saying.
    A driver can only be prosecuted if two independent witnesses who both hold valid driving licences report the same offence. A friend of mine was convicted of driving without due care and attention after almost knocking a cyclist off his bike, only due to the cyclist and a roofer working nearby reporting it.
    The police would otherwise need to find a body if you get my drift.
     
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    robs5230 Oversprung

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    Not many folk get seen committing murder.
    Its an offence alright
     
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    I'd say that the argument is that it is not an offence u less it can be proven in court. So in your example, if an officer sees it, they've the authority to issue a ticket etc, and therefore the individual has been found guilty of committing an offence in the eyes of the law. You however, are a mere pleb, so your statement is nothing more than he said she said and not valid grounds for them to have committed an offence. If you'd filmed it, then the eyes of the law would then see the instance themselves and it would become an offence.

    Or another way if seeing it, its only an offense if found guilty. Until that point anything would be "on suspicion of commiting an offence". The offence is poaching, but you're arrested on suspicion of poaching. You've not committed the offence until the judge sais so. If you were poaching, then the individual knows they've committed an offence, but legally, you've not committed it until you're found guilty.
     
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    rich79 No deep or funny comment here

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    You couldn't shoot magpies etc in your garden before all this happened anyway, unless your garden is a farm with livestock or crops that are at risk.
     
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    Pugwash Post apocalypse

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    I agree. And in spite of bird of prey kites, scarecrows, gas guns and every other deterrent known to man woodies are still at plague levels but to be honest I’ve never really been influenced as much by how much of a pest they are as by how good they taste and I have only ever shot ones I am going to eat anyway. Of course I couldn’t for one minute condone breaking the law so maybe I’ll just have to start raising them in captivity.
     
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    I completely agree with this statement.
    But at the same time, I like song-birds more than I like magpies, crows, jays etc.
     
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    Then if you are in a position where corvids are raiding nests in your garden why not ask advice from BASC if you're a member? I love my songbirds and have plenty, I even had 2 families of house sparrows feeding from a nut feeder hung inside the patio doors last year, youngsters perching on the curtain rail. I would shoot magpies if I had to, and crows but it rarely happens because I think the balance here is about right. The nests that get raided are usually the ones that are built in silly places and easily visible so you could say it's survival of the fittest. The little birds that build in the hedge under the decking never get touched, they're safe.
     
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    OK enough of this. Too many stupid comments have had to be deleted.

    The law is clear and always has been. If anyone's daft enough to ignore it and they end up in the mire (or worse), they can only blame themselves.

    Thread closed.
     
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