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Shooting distances and range finding.

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Nige4927, Jul 24, 2014.

  1. Nige4927

    Nige4927 Busy Member

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    I've just posted a reply to a threat entitled "distance" but this has prompted me to start a new thread to explain properly where I'm coming from.

    The thread was asking how far people thought a paper target was from a photo. Impossible ask I know and many replies said the same. But the OP answered his own question.
    He mentions setting the paper target at a distance that he felt looked about the range he would usually shoot a rabbit from and guessed it to be about 35yards.

    Following this many people have replied with various suggestions such as rope with knots at 5 yard intervals to mark out shooting distance. Or plumb lines that come in 30 yard lengths etc right up to laser range finders etc.

    But what is the point really. Do you spot a rabbit in the field and then get your length of rope out to check the range before heading back to your rifle to take the shot. Do you even fumble around for your range finder to check distance before consulting chair gun see what mil dot to use. Well quite frankly if you do any of these things you have no business hunting.

    But the OP already answered when he said he set the target where it looked right. And that is the point. As we hunt and gain experience our brain becomes amazingly accurate at judging distance. Each of us will have a distance to target that feels right. And the more you shoot using this "natural zero" distance the more accurate that judgement becomes. I can say with confidence that when tacking to a rabbit I tack within 2-5 yards of my natural zero every time. Don't ask me what distance my natural zero is because I don't know. At a guess I would say it's somewhere around 40 yards but I haven't measured it.
    Now if I was to follow general advice and zero at say 35 yards or 40 yards I'm zeroing at an unnatural distance. The chances are that when out in the field my natural zero will over ride and I will only feel comfortable shooting at this distance only now I've set my gun at a different zero. Am I going to be accurate. Not as accurate as if I had set the gun to my natural zero.

    So if we have a natural zero why are we so bothered by yards and markers. Both of my main perms have a spot where I zero. I don't need to measure because the zero distance is what feels right. But if you really want to set your sights to your natural zero the best way is this.

    Find a spot that will be your zeroing place. Then using a rabbit you shot earlier place down and back away until you feel you are at your natural zero. Replace the rabbit with a marker and mark where to shoot from. From then on when you set a paper target up you are zeroing to your natural zero.
    Measure it if you must, use chair gun to tell you your hold overs if it makes you feel better but trust your instinct and your brain. Trust your natural zero.

    Regards

    Nige
     
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  2. ratman60

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    hello, that seems a lot of faffle just to get a zero, the best way i do is a measured 25 mtrs range then using a grid system on paper once you get the balls eye:D you step back to 40mtrs, most for sub 12, then you see where pellet hits and know your hold over point with the dot/reticle scope , step forward to 15 mtrs and know your hold under point with same. there is always a small margin of error for me due to eye sight and scope set to 6 mag.
     
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    Maybe be it's my fault for not writing this post clearly but you've missed the point completely.
    This post is not about how to set your zero or how to work out hold overs. It's about which zero do you set to. Many argue that 30 yards is best others that 35 or even 40 yards is best. Chair gun will probably tell you 28 yards is best. My post is proposing the idea that you should set your gun to your "natural zero" and explains what that's is and why it might be best.

    ATB

    Nige
     
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    Have to agree with ratman as the way you mention setting up your natural zero wouldn't appear to help you for anything other than that zero range. How to you get to know your hold under/over points.
     
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    Really !!!
    I often use a range finder so I guess I should not be hunting.
    So what happens when a rabbit requires hold over or hold under?

    Know what range you are zeroed at and the impact point of your pellet every five yards out until you're max range.
    Be humane don't guess.

    Cheers Andy
     
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    That suggests nige that in a hunting situation, if it's too close then back away until itr becomes more natural?

    I believe the best indicator of distance (excluding a rangefinder or markers) is image blurr. I couldn't shoot without it.
     
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    Or of course you can use mill dots and rabbits ears!
     
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    hello, as my thread stated i set my natural zero to 25mtrs then proceed to further distance and lower distance so i know just where to hold over/under, i dont like dot reticule scopes but a cross hair and can pretty much know where to aim but as i said i am not always right, at 6 magnification on my scope 25 mtrs is good as is setting the front diopter to my eye sight. i will say when i am ratting my zero is only 15mtrs on the scoped vermy and red torch or i would not see the cross hair.
     
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    That was my thread lol. I only asked the distance more for curiosity as I am not good at judging distances. I'm normally miles out in my estimations. I set a paper target up in a spot commonly filled with bunnies and got set up in a spot I can access with relative ease without being seen or heard. Then zeroed. But I couldn't work out how far I was shooting. If I was that accurate and it was at say 50 feet I'd probably feel quite chuffed. But if it was like only 20 feet I'd have been pretty bummed.


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