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Share Your Airgun NV Setup with SecurityCamera2000.com

Discussion in 'Night Vision Optics and Illumination' started by securitycamera2000, Dec 17, 2012.

  1. joe soapy

    joe soapy Active Member

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    I will second that. To have somebody in the trade with access to all the gear, willing to check out
    the available equipement for suitability
     
  2. pistolpete1981

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    OK you can call me cynical all you like for what I am about to say and trust me I am not too proud to go back on my word if I am proven wrong and I will buy anything that SecurityCamera2000.comcome up with as long as it is at a price that is affordable enough for me to buy...........

    but............

    would it not be easy for a supplier after seeing high numbers of orders coming through for products that have been recommended by our geniuses on this forum that have managed to come up with great innovative ideas to effectively steal their intellectual property and mass produce it at an inflated rate!

    Personally, after seeing some of the brilliant inventions people like Kenhawker etc have come up with, who have shared that info out of the kindness of their hearts to have that taken and abused would be a crying shame.

    Just a thought
     
  3. terry1001

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    All businesses need to do proper market research in order to remain in business and this forum is a place where there is a fair bit of knowledge and unlimited enthusiasm.

    Many of the forum members are unsure of what to buy and how to use it to get the best results which explains the popularity of how to articles on here. Unfortunately it can be difficult to compare products from the huge number of vendors out there and. to complicate matters, some vendors are optimistic in their specifications and some just tell outright lies even in response to simple questions.

    Inevitably this means that people buy unsuitable equipment and, no doubt, some just throw it away and give up. During what has seemed like endless searches for various bits of kit I have often seen what I am sure are identical items at wildly different prices from various suppliers.
    At present there is no way of telling exactly what it is you are looking at when all you have is a small photo and a brief and confusing description written in very poor English.

    Clearly there is a demand for various items for night shooting (and day as well) and that demand is either not met or else the prices are way beyond what most of us can afford or justify.

    I am able to carry out a lot of modifications myself and I count myself fortunate and I am well aware that for many this is not an option and they will have to make do with less than ideal commercial products.

    While I am quite happy to, for example, mod a torch into a suitable IR led unit I would be more than happy to just buy the right thing and spend more time on other things which are unlikely to generate any commercial interest.

    Hopefully SecurityCamera2000 can help move things forward helped by input from forum members.
     
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  4. joe soapy

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    I dont think they are inventions as such. more like inventive ways of combining existing products
    in novel ways that suit a relatively small number of users
    the beauty of somebody like Security cam, is that an interested person in the company can try out large numbers of
    different combinations quickly and with no expense other than time, once they get a feel for what is wanted.
    I know i would be like a kid in a sweet shop if turned loose amongst their inventory.
    I see they have a video sender unit, wouldnent that be great set up looking at a target to see where the shots were going.
    Or watching over a chicken run thats too far to run a wire to
     
  5. Paul Cann

    Paul Cann Posting Addict

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    Coming to an eBay advert near you soon.............
    i suppose somebody needs to rip off that nitesite thingy given the horrendous markup they make as anybody who has read the threads on here knows how cheaply you can put them together for
     
  6. weebster

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    I think the two things most want would be a zoomable decent ir torch with a head size no bigger than 45mm od,complete with a simple on/off switch and remote switch of some sort.
    I have mounted a few ir bits and bobs above the scope and found the reflection off the guns metal work/silencer to cause problems when on the flood settings,hence why a smaller torch mounted under the mod solves this problem and for me is the way to go.
    The second would be a decent screen with decent resolution and the ability to record if one so wished.

    As good as the 800ir led torch is it's big,bulky,a pain to focus imo and way to dear for the parts involved,the price considering the quality of the driver in the 800ir is way ott.

    I for one am pleased that security2000 has offered to get involved,the more products on the market the more prices are likely to fall for those who want off the shelf nv kits.
     
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  7. some bloke

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    I can't say I agree with that.

    Firstly, the RRP of the NS 200 is £600 at the dealers which includes VAT. So we immediatly see that the producer is only getting something under £400 for it when supplying the trade which accounts for most of its sales. Then the factory unit rent, rates, power, wages etc. Then the tooling costs for the initial injection moulded casings to get the pre-production few to tweak before making the final mould and paying out thousands of pounds for the first batch of casings (that's the way injection moulding works). Then sourcing the components - also by the thousands probably, means even more hard cash gambled on potential sales....for how long till the bubble burts in a product appealing to a few but loathed by much of the population? Then draw their personal salaries, government penalties for providing work to someone and distributing/shipping costs before the company makes a profit.

    Verses a few of us buying stuff off ebay and lashing it together in a DIY manner that works for us but we'd expect a professionally finished item if we bought it ready made.
     
  8. stoogey

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    you missed out on the market, as in available people to buy one.. 7 million airgunners in the uk.. they all dont want a unit, the guy on ebay has a world market of way more than that..
    having limited sales ups the price...say you sell 1 a month? you've got to live off of it.
     
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  9. genisis22

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    Hi I for one am pleased that security systems have taken the trouble to ask what is needed, I have one of there cams, 700tvl exview with osd and its top notch, the sale went through with no problems and there rep Queenie was very good on updates and tracking etc, felt like dealing with an old friend, If, like has been said, this an exercise to hike prices, vote with your feet as we do now, now if a package could be put together ie, torch, cam, viewer, batt mounts and leads at a fair price you know what you are getting and how it will perform via member feed back you would know that two ish weeks after placing your order you would have the best in diy nv,
    MY WISH LIST WOULD BE AN HI RES EVF, COLOUR WITH I/2 INCH OR ABOVE SCREEN AND DIOPTER WITH +- 4.5/5 AT A SENSIBLE PRICE
     
  10. hotshot2me

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    Its good that a manufacturer/supplier takes the time to do proper market research on a forum like this, so long as they come up with the goods taken from the comments of members, and at a fare price this can only be good for us. Its hard for a lot of people who have not got machinery or the know how to make things, but yet know exactly what they want , then cant find a supplier then have to take second best at a cost that is sometimes exorbitant and will only do a mediocre job at best: Dave
     
  11. securitycamera2000

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    Hi,

    For the camera, we recommend this.

    And sorry for we don't have the 200M IR light currently, and this is the best we have now.

    Best Wishes,
    SecurityCamera2000.com
     
  12. securitycamera2000

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    Hi,

    For the small LCD screen at least 480*480, we don't have currently.

    KPC-EJ230NUWX is a good choice, it has enough defination, however its other features are relatively weak.If you have suitable tools to fix the camera on the gun, you can use
    CML2337X or MNL2355X, they have more strong features. And they have better sensitivity and defination than CM-1910BEX or CM-M3134BEX.And CML2337X or MNL2355X is stronger than PL1106, cuz they have better night vision effect and low LUX and noise reduction effect.

    Best Wishes,
    SecurityCamera2000.com
     
  13. securitycamera2000

    securitycamera2000 Active Member

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    Hi,

    High quality camera is necessary, and the most important things of the NV camera are the low lux and NV sensitivity effct and WDR and the noise reduction effect.Even though the definition is important,but if you don't have high quality monitor to use with, then it won't have obvious difference on the monitor no matter you use a high or low TVL camera. And actually there is no big difference from the image quality and features between bullet and board camera. However bullet camera is easy for fixing on the gun, and PCB board of the board camera damages easily.But board camera is more stable in general, and its lens can be change easily.

    And for the lens,high quality lens will have better image effect, however it is not good for the display effect of the monitor, so generally, it is enough to use a ordinary lens.

    For the batteries, our country has batteries embargo policy. And the monitor, we now don't have any very good one for recommending, so we give any opinion on them.

    Best Wishes,
    SecurityCamera2000.com
     
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  14. securitycamera2000

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    Hi,

    hmmm...We now don't have that kind of IR illuminator or something similar, however we will pay attention on today's market and see if we can find.
    Best Wishes,
    SecurityCamera2000.com
     
  15. 007Dave

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    thanks for your reply
    do you know the model of image sensor that is used in these cameras.
    all of the effio-p controlers i see on the net are using the ICX662AKA/ICX663AKA image sensor. its sensitivity is lower then the exview ICX672AKA/ICX673AKA

    the effi0-p boards usualy get a lower lux rating from the slow shutter speed, and this in night vision is useless
    if these boards are the ICX662AKA/ICX663AKA sensor, are we able to get one with ICX672AKA/ICX673AKA


    there is one screen with the wrong dimensions stated btw.. PZ0067
    is this LDL2483X 7in screen 800 X 480. probly a bit big and expensive for a diy though

    dave
     
  16. joe soapy

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    thanks for reply,, but question still is what sort of performance will this cam give
    when connected to your 5/100 or 5/60 variable lens,
    is it available in a bullet configuration?
    and under IR light

    would it give a clear image at 100 meters using sufficient IR light?
     
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  17. 007Dave

    007Dave Well-Known Member

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    forgot to ask about the b/w cameras..
    with the CM-1910BEX/CM-M3134BEX cameras, i was hoping for a good CHEAP low lux alternitave for the budget diy bilds
    its definition will suit the 3.5in $20USD screens
    we have found this be-MS42 camera to be a nice cheap diy alternative.
    $80+ on an effio-p is over budget to allot of people for a hobby build

    would it be posible to stock some of these items. some times people just want what they want :)

    i would be nice to shop in 1 place and get all the items delivered in 1 parcel
    most people will buy through ebay. can easily seek the best price, safer and a feedback system
    i did purchace all my item based on the best price i could find, including ebay, dx and sc2000.
    you have great service on the sc2000 site. but most ppl will look past it if they spot a big price difference
     
  18. kenhawker

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    Nice to have you onboard. ;)
     
  19. kenhawker

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    I'm with Dave on this one, if you could start a section on your site for parts for a complete build with a good selection of different parts and advertise as such with good competitive prices I think you would be shocked to see how many diy nv builders you would do business with.
    I for 1 will admit, putting together a parts list and having to keep people up to date with the latest parts is a pain in the butt at times. Having a 1 stop shop where these guys can purchase all the parts they need would not only benefit us it will also benefit your company.

    Thanks
    Ken.
     
  20. securitycamera2000

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    Hi,

    If you have enough IR lighting, then it is possible to see clear image at 100 meters with our CML2341X, but pay attention that you have to use a 5-100mm lens for this camera, such as our PL0093 .

    Best Wishes,
    SecurityCamera2000.com
     

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