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SGC help

Discussion in 'Shotguns (SGC)' started by Danstar33, Mar 31, 2014.

  1. Danstar33

    Danstar33 Junior Member

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    Hey guys,

    I'm at a local clay club and have been for a few weeks now. I'm looking into getting my SGC to make the ammunition side of things cheaper. However, being 16 years old mom and dad don't want a shotty in the house.... Nor will they allow a cabinet fixed to the wall (even if it only houses air rifles).

    now, it is with in the law to own a shotgun and ammunition under 18 years of age, but not to buy. The girlfriends dad has a FAC and SGC for his farmland. I was wandering if I could have my license approved, but keep everything at their house and in their gun safe? ( so my storage is actually at their house and not mine)

    This is would mean just popping over to collect my own cartridges before shooting on a Sunday morning.

    does anyone know the ins and outs of this a and can help me out?

    al the best,
    dan.
     
  2. Relgubmot

    Relgubmot Donator

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    Yes that would be fine, there is a section on the application to complete if the shotgun will be kept elsewhere.
     
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    mmm i think you will hit a snag as if he has FAC weapons in the same cabinet you probably won't be allowed keys to the safe, so you would need to wait for him to give them to you,plus at 16 if,and it probably won't last with your girlfriend then you will find yourself in a differcult spot if he tells you to come take your shottie away,find someone else with no FAC would be better
     
  4. r10hunter

    r10hunter Honorary Member

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    You will find that as mentioned above although it would be legal for you to store your gun there as long as you did not have the safe key and the paper work was filled in correctly. Many feo's tend to take a very dim view of storing your gun in someone else's house.

    Feo's know from their years of experience that these arrangements often go wrong.

    You take your gun out shooting and then can't return it as the owner of the house is out. You take it home and hide it.

    The house owner is out so he illegally leaves you keys.

    You have a falling out with the owner of the house and the feo has to go and collect your gun.

    You need to start shooting early or finish late so the gun gets put under the bed over night instead of taken to or from someone else's house at an unsociable hour.

    Feo's have had to sort out these problems many times.

    Would it not be better for your parents to fit a small cabinet in their house ( you can get very small broken down gun cabinets) rather than have to drive you to someone else's house every time you go out shooting??
    The feo will probably eventually allow it ( after a bit of moaning) but fitting your own cabinet would save you and your girlfriends dad a lot of hassle in the long run. Something small like this could be hidden in a cupboard or wardrobe. http://bit.ly/LSAkBY
    Cheers Andy
     
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  5. Danstar33

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    Hey guys thanks for all the help and support. Just to add some extra info I don't want to have a gun yet. That will be for my own house sometime in the future ( under my rules ) haha! All I would want to do is store ammunition there. Just to make clay pigeon shooting cheaper in the long run. At my local bringing your own cartridges slices the price by 50% atleast so it's a worthwhile thing to do. Me and the girlfriend have been together for two years now, but fingers crossed. I know what you guys think ;D but honestly excuse me for being a soppy git, were fine together. Does this change anything?
     
  6. r10hunter

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    You can keep ammo at home with no cabinet. It makes sense to lock it in a wooden box or something but it's not required. You can keep it on top of the telly if you want. You do not need a sgc to own shotgun cartridges just to buy them.
    Cheers Andy
     
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  7. Danstar33

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    so does this mean I can get my SGC, explain to the firearms officer that I have no intention to buy a shotgun and just be given ammunition to use at the clay club? No bothering to go to the in laws house? Or will I still have to have the cabinet at their house Checked?

    thanks for the help mate!
     
  8. r10hunter

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    Having your sgc will make no difference to you as you have to be over 18 to buy shotgun shells anyway. (Assuming you only shoot at a section 11 clay ground)
    Someone else can buy shells for you and you can store them at home and take them with you when you shoot.

    The only need for you to have sgc would to be to shoot somewhere that does not hold a section 11 exemption. A one off clay shoot on farm land etc rather than a proper clay ground, or for vermin shooting if not in the presence of the occupier.

    You need to have storage before you can be granted sgc you can't say I'm not going to buy a gun.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    thanks again Andy, so I can be given shells to shoot from the Inlaws without a SGC? Or am I misunderstanding?
     
  10. r10hunter

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    Correct.
    You can also store the at home should you wish.
    Cheers Andt
     
  11. Danstar33

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    Absolutely bloody brilliant. I want to hug you (no homo) ;D that's literally the best news I have been given in about a month. Thanks so much for all your guys help, especially Andy. Hats off to you guys for helping me out. Really appreciate it!
     
  12. Verminhunterdan

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    If he has a sgc and fac. He should have 2 cabinets. One for the fac one for the sgc. And then a further ammo safe for the fac. So having a key to the sgc safe is fine.
     
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    He does have two safes, one for FAC and one for SGC. However all has been sorted now! :)
     
  14. r10hunter

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    There is no need to have separate cabinets for fac and sgc weapons. Most people buy one large cabinet with a built in locking ammo box for their section 1 / section 5 (fac) ammo and then keep all their shotguns and rifles in one place.
    Having the keys to someone else's cabinet also opens up a bit of a legal problem as you then have constant access to their shotguns and they yours ( only 72 hours loan is allowed without transferring the gun on to your certificate.)
    Different forces and feo's view this in different ways but for safety's sake it would be better to enter all the guns on both sgc's just incase a incident were to happen (a proper pain)
    Not that it matters now as the op is sorted anyway.

    Cheers Andy
     
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