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Setting Up A New Rifle With Scope

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Millstone, Jan 18, 2021.

  1. Millstone

    Millstone Engaging Member

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    Hi All, Setup advice please. I'm expecting my HW77 today plus a Veyron 6-24x44FFP scope. When I last shot it was just a bit of fun in the garden. I didn't bother about the pellets (whatever I could get hold of) and plonked the scope on. Job done. But now I read so much about choosing the right pellet for your gun and how much the incompatibility between pellet and barrel can affect accuracy. So can you advise what's the best approach to set up a new rifle and new scope? I was thinking to shoot a few rounds with open sights at close (10m) distance to test out the pellets first and see which appears to work well (I've bought a sample pack of the usual suspects). Then add the scope and zero it and start again at 25m-30m. What do the experts think?
     
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    I'm no expert, but that sounds like a reasonable plan... :thumb:
     
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    Thanks, that's reassuring :)
     
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    As already mentioned, you've got the right idea :thumb:

    Ray
     
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    Remember to keep those stock bolts nipped up while she's bedding in - check them regularly. If something feels rough or doesn't sound right - check it out, don't ignore it and keep shooting...
     
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    Thanks, I will certainly keep an eye on that.
     
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    If a brand new rifle, pull the barrel through to ensure no transit grease clogging it up - that would render any pellet testing results unless. Also the power plant will need to bed in, so I would shoot at least a few hundred of a decent pellet; JSB Express or something similar, and once bedded in pellet test. This will allow you to get to grips with a consistent and light hold, eye relief sighting and the feel of the rifle before focussing on testing. Then you should be able to identify what shoots well - the shot cycle - and what groups well - the pellet.
    Enjoy.
    Dave
     
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    I personally wouldn’t bother testing with open sights if you intend to shoot the 77 with a scope???

    Also range is your friend, pellets can shoot nicely at 25m and then open up...

    You will not get any answers on the best pellet at close range, I’m yet to find a pellet that doesn’t shoot well at close range.

    The way I pellet test a new gun is...

    Clean the barrel straight away

    Lead in the barrel with a softer pellet such as JSB, I’m happy around 100 shots.

    Then get comfy, and shoot 5 shot groups with all your pellets, and I treat it like a game show...

    Bin the worst, shoot the selection again, bin the worst as so on.

    Always handy to know what your 77’s second best pellet it, just incase in the future you can’t buy it’s favourite for whatever reason.

    However... my money is on H&N FTT and JSB RS ;)
     
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    Same as above but with just one bit of safety advice, don’t forget to hold the barrel while loading. I don’t know if the HW77 has an anti bear trap but even if it does, it’s good practice to still hold the barrel.

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    The newer 77s do have a faux ABT- but the advice is the same: hold the under lever at all times!
     
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    Thank you all for the great advice. Sadly I will struggle to get a shooting distance greater the 25 metres in the garden and I've taken on board the advice that I am unlikely to see any difference at 10 metres. A cleaning kit is ordered so will give it a "good pull through"; also are cleaning pellets any good? I'll the do my best to zero the scope at 20 metres and blast away for a couple of hundred pellets before trying to assess pellet choice and zero for real at the longest distance I'll be able to manage. I'm hoping to join the Reading Air Target Shooting club and will then be able to try my han at longer distances when the open up again after lockdown. Thanks again for all the advice this really is a friendly and supportive form!
     
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    Sorry, forgot that the HW77 was an under lever :facepalm:, so hold the ‘lever’ while loading.
     
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    Yeah, got that ;)!
     
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    Complete waste of money - and never use them in a springer or rammer. They don't give the resistance that a pellet does, resulting in the piston slamming into the end of the cylinder. Use a pull-through...
     
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    Yes, just read an article https://www.airgunmagazine.co.uk/features/gear/qa-can-you-use-felt-cleaning-pellets-with-a-springer/ where they say exactly the same thing but, they do say if you do you should put a real pellet in after the cleaning pellet, But as you say doesn't seem worth it. Do it properly in the first place I guess.
     
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    If the scope is new it should come optically centred. It's worth checking and setting to optical centre before mounting, mounting without further adjustment, then putting a few pellets through to see if you need to shim the mounts or (preferred) buy adjustable mounts. For .177 a 15 yard near zero is fine for checking the scope. Ideally any adjustment to zero the scope needs to be within the mid third of the adjustment range (the closer to centre the better). If you are outside the central third I'd suggest you buy some adjustable rings. Generally the optics are better at the centre and you don't want to run out of adjustment in use. Set up the scope so the cross hairs are horizontal/vertical - not necessarily as easy as it might seem... lots of advice on the forum as to how if you have difficulty.

    Happy shooting! :thumb:
     
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    Thanks!
     
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    Genius, kind of defeats the object of the exercise... :facepalm:

    A decent barrel shouldn't need repeated cleaning and those felt pellets won't shift much. If you have a badly fouled bore, half a dozen lead-free (tin) pellets will scour all of the crud out..... :thumb:
     
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    Yeah, got it. Only want to clean out any oil that may have been left behind after manufacture but the supplier said that they test fire the gun anyway to make sure it's <12f t lbs, so I'm hoping all will be OK.
     
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