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scope vs head position? something better than a regular scope?

Discussion in 'Target Shooting' started by jimmyhackers, Aug 14, 2014.

  1. jimmyhackers

    jimmyhackers Well-Known Member

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    much to my annoyance....

    i have realised that where my head is in relation to the scope effects where the crosshairs lineup.

    i see the only solution being "make sure your heads in the same place every time"

    annoyingly im not that good and this margin of human error turns my 5p sized grouping (in a vice) into a fist sized grouping (on bipod/standing shot) over a 50ish meter range.


    so my question is....what kind of (magnified) sighting system/scope will negate this problem?

    my initial idea was to just add a laser pointer to my scope rail and use the dot instead of the crosshairs.
    anyone got any better ideas?

    thanks in advance for the help
    jim
     
  2. mattyts

    mattyts Donator

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    No scope gets rid of the problem because it's not a problem of the scope,it's a user error.
     
  3. jimmyhackers

    jimmyhackers Well-Known Member

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    does everyone in york have such helpfull advice as you do?
     
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    mattyts Donator

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    I wouldn't know,never been to York.

    Put your head in the same place,simple as :p
     
  5. martin22

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    a lot of it is to do with the comb height,i had a similar problem a while back,have a read of my old thread it may help :up: http://www.airgunforum.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/169224-nikon-prostaff-eye-relief
    it also sounds like your scope may not be parralexed to airgun ranges,most scopes are set at 100y when they leave the factory,most can be manually set to around 30-35y which helps a lot in relation to the crosshairs not moving as you move your head
     
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    Get an MTC Connect which eliminates the problem (not cheap though) tried one for the first time on Tuesday and was very impressed.
     
  7. Samobaggins

    Samobaggins I own to many fx rifles

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    Look in to an accucover. It has 4 yellow pointer that line up with the crosshairs helping you put your head in the same spot. There not that cheap and don't have a bling factor either. Works for me.
     
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    Well if you really need help you can buy a sort of scope sleave thing that slides on the back with little arrows that you are meant to line up with the crosshairs.
     
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    Titchgamer Honorary Member

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    Thats the one ^
     
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    I find a bisley scope maximiser helped me learn a consistent head position (yes i know thats not what they are supposed to be used for:D) - works along a similar principle as the connect i.e putting you in contact with the same point on the scope and therefore reducing parallax error
     
  11. Akita177

    Akita177 The Absolute State of Britian podcast

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    What make and model is your scope?

    I love side focus scopes as its quick and easy to adjust the focus/parralax to what distance your shooting at, also another thing to consider is 9x magnification can have 3 times the paralax error as 3x magnification..
     
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    What your describing is paralax error. A non parallax adjustable scope can be fiddled to reduce this error, a quick google will show you how.

    Also more magnification = more parallax error.

    I use a comb riser and scope maximiser to get easier cheek weld and reparallax for every range with side adjustable paralax wheely thingy.
    Result is no error and is in the main how field target shooters work.

    Others manage with whats called cheek weld, basically a fancy name for the good old skill of marksmanship.

    Parallax error can be massive in some conditions and it is startling when you first discover it, try to provoke it on differing magnifications to see just how massive it can be.
     
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    thanks for the replies.

    i like the idea of the scope maximiser, would give me a more consistant head position. would add a little asthetic coolness to my rifle also. good shout ozzy.

    ill see if my aim improves then report back.
     
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    essex sniper Banned BANNED

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    This ^^^^ I bought a viper connect about a year ago and prefer it over any scope now . It has no eye relief so your head will always be in the same place atb
     
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    If you are not shooting in an HFT comp just alter your parallax every time to the correct distance and your head position doesn't matter too much. no pilot error ;)
     
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    Same here for me, just put one on mine at the AGF meet and love it.
     
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    ^^^^
    This
     
  19. engraver

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    If you experience a lot of PX error, you need to have the cheek piece on your rifle as high as possible, adjustable is good.

    Or

    Mount your scope lower, it needs to be as low as possible, I try low mounts first on whatever scope Im trying to fit and work from there up.

    I used to fit massive scopes on high mounts many moons ago, but since going for more like 40mm scopes with good glass sat just mm from my barrel, my airrifle shooting/hunting went to another level.

    My advice to anyone is fit the smallest best quality scope you possibly can, and fit it as close to the barrel as you can, and Im sure your shooting will improve.
     

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