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Scope condition

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by mikey, Jun 9, 2017.

  1. mikey

    mikey Pro Poster

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    Hopefully he will chris, have sent him pm but he's not been not logged in for 2 days
     
  2. Karl507

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    Well I wouldn't be raging over a couple of small scratches unless it was really expensive? Are there any dents? what's the glass like? Is the ret clear?..

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    So you think that could be described as very good condition?

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  4. mikey

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    Regardless of the glass being being good the scope is in my opinion and that of others not in vgc has described in the listing post.had the scope been listed with the marks on it I would not have payed what I did for it,I would have made an offer and if it was not accepted I would have moved on.
     
  5. Karl507

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    I'm not sure tbh. Depends. If it's a ten year old scope selling for £50 perhaps that could be described as vgc for its age? It looks like the OP having seen the scope would still have made an offer, so I'm sure it's not all that bad. The seller will probably knock a couple of quid off and everything will be fine. Still not worth 'raging' over ... lol

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  6. Karl507

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    Understood, I'm sure you'll come to an agreement...

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  7. mikey

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    had the post stated there were marks then im sure it would have been cheaper,if not then I would have made an offer.from the pic you cannot see the marks
     
  8. mikey

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    [​IMG]
     
  9. Paddler

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    With scopes marks suggest some kind of possible impact? As we know impacts are not good for scopes. ANY marks should be clearly mentioned on scope sale ads.
     
  10. Stevie Darling

    Stevie Darling Sexual tyrannosaurus

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    If marks are through to the metal, it should be highlighted with photos.

    Think cloverleaf sales threads.

    Even with a smartphone, defects can be easily shown.
     
  11. Mortimer

    Mortimer Lord Haw Haw

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    I once bought a Czech Meopta scope for a centre fire rifle from a gamekeeper. The glass was excellent and it worked fine, but the 'bodywork' looked like he'd put it through a concrete mixer. :) Every now and then I used to settle down and blot out the scratches with a black felt-nib pen.:rolleyes:
    Unbelievably, I got my money back when I sold it through an RFD.
     
  12. SteveO

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    Hi Mikey,

    I think you should have waited until contacting the seller first before publishing this thread, he's a long term member, well established seller with an excellent track record of selling on the forum and deserved to have had a chance to sort something out in private IMO, Personally I'd feel offended if someone did this to me, not everyone logs in every day.

    I know you didn't post it with the intention of slagging him off but more to discuss peoples perceptions of condition and lack of description but I can't help feel this will leave a bad taste in both your mouths... so to speak.
     
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    To me the scope is in very good condition, a few tiny marks. Some people work their gear harder than others and have a different view of VGC and Mint.

    To me the scope is very good condition but not mint because my stuff generally gets a hard life, other people wont have this view.
    Many people know if they buy the scope in two weeks it will be more scratched anyway, others only range shoot and keep their gear mint for years.

    I don't think there is any intention to deceive just differing opinions due to the way we all use our stuff and perceive what is still in very good condition and what is not.
    As said above if you need the scope to look perfect for whatever reason speak to the guy.
     
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  14. mikey

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    Yes maybe I should have waited until I contacted the seller,it was a spur of the moment to put up the post has I wasn't happy.i did indeed has you say didn't post with the intention of slagging mike off but more to gets members views on if they thought it was in vgc
     
  15. mikey

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    What peed me off was the fact that those marks should in my opinion should have been listed,had it been mine and I was selling I would have posted the pics of the marks and would have listed it has good used condition not vgc
     
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    as previously posted mikey, bad form for airing this in public - i think that if you had a problem, then you should have first contacted the seller by phone or pm. then if it wasn't resolved to your satisfaction (good explanation or maybe a partial refund), then maybe take the action that you have. also, there is the feedback facility.
    also, as previously posted, folks interpretation of vgc can differ ....
     
  17. stevemandm

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    for what its worth, i am a quality control process engineer, and (without blowing my own trumpet) can find fault in most things. all manufactured things cost money, and the longer the manufacturing process, the more expensive the product. most manufacturers aim for '90 % quality/perfection', knowing that the average person cannot detect the 10% of imperfections, and it may take as long chasing the final 10% as it did reaching the initial 90%.
    this is just the general, and not a rule, as some things require near perfection, especially in certain areas of a component/assembly.
    its also a brief explanation of how folks interpretation of condition/quality differ, and ultimately what can be classed as 'acceptable'.
    hope this little insight is of use and maybe helps
     
  18. mikey

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    The issue has now been resolved
    can the mods please close or remove this thread
    thanks
     
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    mikey, you can close the thread yourself..
    there is a button in the reply box to do so
     
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    Ill have my say before its closed.

    Bad form in my opinion to go publicly shouting off at the first opporotunity because your not happy, Ive been on this site for ages and you have deal with me many time before. Whats wrong with sorting it out in private with me?

    In my opinion it is very good condition, there are couple of small marks but not big and certainly no crimps. The glass on the scope is good and clear. I tend to use the words mint and unmarked when items I sell are unmarked.

    I respect other peoples views on what very good condition means so the first thing I did when I became aware of your problem was to offer a full refund and to pay return of post.

    Please don't ask to buy from me again Mikey, its not the fact that you not happy with my description of the scope its the publicly shouting on the forum that has annoyed me.
     

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