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Rifle Vs Bow

Discussion in 'Archery' started by PolzeyLad, Nov 22, 2020.

  1. PolzeyLad

    PolzeyLad Busy Member

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    So I’ve been doing compound archery for a few years and thought I’d put both S400 vs Mybo Origin.

    Both standing and unsupported (obviously you can’t be supported with a bow), about 18 yards and into an archery target on a foam boss.

    I haven’t used by bow much recently as it’s all been about the new S400 then then the even newer scope.

    I was a bit surprised to get all three arrows in the centre ring (a bit bigger than a 50p).

    Then it was rifle time; now I think I zoomed too much (8x vs 1.5x) and got a proper wobble on; similar on the first two then a pretty bad wobble on the third; I would have actually scored higher with the arrows!

    So I realised that my standing shooting with the gun needs vast improvement as my supported is fairly reasonable, I’m a bit more solid with a drawn bow (I also have three stabiliser rods on the bow which help steady it) but both are a lot of fun.
     
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  2. Brother Caleb

    Brother Caleb You have been judged and found unworthy!

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    The bow is accurate and a damn site more lethal at any range :thumb:
     
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    I’ve been thinking about it and have deduced that the standing archery stance is simply more stable than an unsupported rifle one.

    I did a bit of checking up on stable rifle stances and there’s tactical forward leaning; direct upright for hunting and leant backwards, elbow dug into hip for target shooting. None are particularly stable.

    You don’t want to hold a drawn compound bow for too long (probably 4ish kgs) but it’s definitely a more balanced stance.

    Luckily we have numerous supporting options with guns from kneeling to sitting, bipods or just leaning off a door frame. I do remember standing unsupported behind hard work in Army APWTs.

    [​IMG]

    This was at 20 yards a little while ago using cheap aluminium arrows;

    [​IMG]
     
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    I'm surprised that you think that the target shooting stance is not particularly stable. The 10m bull is 0.5mm. Taking into account the pellet width, this equates to a 5mm group at 10m. Top shooters will hit 60 consecutive 10s in World Cup comps. In finals, on "decimal" targets they will average 10.5s, equating to 2.5mm groups.

    It's true that very few casual air rifle shooters understand the fundamentals of balancing the rifle, using the skeleton, rather than (wobbly) muscle power - just as many archers don't properly transfer the draw weight of the bow to their back - or align themselves properly to the target. (You appear to manage this pretty well!)

    Actually, the target shooting stance (when correctly executed) has a lot in common with the classic archery stance. (When I used to shoot recurve, I was amazed how similar the mechanics of stance, target alignment and balance were to rifle shooting.)

    If you want to master the fundamentals of standing shooting, take a look at the videos and books by Olympic coach, Heinz Reinkemeir. Looking at your archery stace, I'd guess you'd make the transition pretty quickly.
     
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    @Skeet_200 ; early days on the rifle front vs almost five years archery. I did shoot a fair bit in my early 20s (OTC at Uni) but that was mostly SA80s doing APWTs; it’s quite a different sort of shooting.
    Me and my son (he’s a decent compound archer) are concentrating on firming up the standing stance; if there’s a weakness we’ll try and work on it but all tips are taken on board and appreciated!
     
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    Following another thread on the main forum I thought I’d calculate the “stopping power” of my arrows. It turns out that even my light ones (all carbon Easton Powerflights) could take out large game. My long range, slightly heavier Easton ACGs (carbon wrapped around an alu core) are also more than capable and will happily reach 100 yards (although they’ll have little energy by then). And my heavy aluminiums (Easton XX75 in the deer photo above) which drop badly beyond 50 yards, would absolutely nail anything; they leave the bow with over 100ft-lbs of power!! You’d need a fairly pokey gun to match that.

    My sons smaller bow has very light arrows but could still take down small deer.

    Quite an eye opener.


    http://www.anycalculator.com/arrowprojectilecalculator.html

    ***disclaimer; bow hunting is illegal in the U.K. and I have NO plans to try out these statistics!!
     
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  7. Autodidact

    Autodidact Thought Criminal

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    Have you seen the Fenris?



    Turns a bow into something else entirely ;)

    HTH :thumb:
     
  8. PolzeyLad

    PolzeyLad Busy Member

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    Wow!!’
     
  9. Autodidact

    Autodidact Thought Criminal

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    Its a game-changer for sure (IMO of course) :thumb:
     
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    PolzeyLad Busy Member

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    I couldn’t draw that quickly though unless I seriously dropped my poundage!
     
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    Nords Schott glass addict

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    It just shows how technically inaccurate ‘The Walking Dead’ is, otherwise they would all have those! :D:D:D
     
  12. Autodidact

    Autodidact Thought Criminal

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    That's the advantage of (most) compound bows, you can adjust the draw weight (and fit a Fenris) :thumb:
     
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    Autodidact Thought Criminal

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    It's so easy to use even girls can use it :p ...



    :thumb:
     
  14. ajohn

    ajohn Chewing Things Over

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    The 0.5mm bull is inward scoring. If outward scoring it would be 8mm dia to remove completely or slightly larger to just clip it.

    When standing with a rifle people might find they need to time their shots. Reminds me of 22lr with an incredibly heavy rifle on a sling intended specifically for that.
     
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    You can download it too and print it.

    There will probably be copies on Ebay by next year, for not a lot.
     
  16. Nords

    Nords Schott glass addict

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    I’m not trying to be negative here, she is trying to help get some sales I’m sure. However the time should start as she loads the arrows into it? Also do it again for 6 shots, and work out the average.

    It looks like great fun, and I’d love one, thats for sure!
     
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    :eek::eek:
     
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    With the speed loaders it is very quick.
     
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    I’ve got about 8lbs to play with on mine (52-60lbs); my old “beginners” bow did about 20-70lbs but you end up with a mushy “back wall.”
     
  20. Autodidact

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    52lb is repeatedly draw-able isn't it? :shrug:

    If not, the Greyback that Jorge sells coupled with the Fenris (for about a grand) is adjustable from about 30lb upwards IIRC ;)
     

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