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Advice Rifle or Carbine

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by AJR48, Jul 2, 2012.

  1. AJR48

    AJR48 Well-Known Member

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    I am a novice. After some considerable research browsing the internet and reading magazines I have decided that I will be getting one of the following: Air Arms S410, Weihrauch HK97K, Air Arms TX200 or an Air Arms Pro Sport. All of these guns are around or about my budget. I won't be making a final decision till I've tried them all but my question is. Rifle or Carbine? I will be using it mainly for HFT shooting not hunting. I get the impression that Carbines are mainly aimed at the hunting market or have I jumped to the wrong conclusion?



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  2. Ronnieman

    Ronnieman Engaging Member

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    Personally mate i always go for carbine! but im not that tall so i find the balance usually suits me better! but to be honest just shoulder them all (shoot with them if you can) and one should stand out! In my experience you can only shoot well if you are comfortable!:up:

    (obviously with pcp's you will get more shots from the full length version of any particular rifle!)
     
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    Full length get more shots per fill. Carbine more manuverable. Tbh in the real world there is very little difference between either. I have a aa410 in for sale section. Your more than welcome to have a play if your interested.
     
  4. Darren Petts

    Darren Petts Temporarily Alive

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    For HFT you'd want the S400 over the S410. A magazine just gets in the way for target work. If you opt for the pcp get the full length. The extra shots will be of use on the range. With a springer it's purely personal choice. The Pro-sport offers you no choice on length though.
     
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    The S400 could be a better buy then the S410 for HFT, in competitions you will have to take the magazine out after every shot with a S410.
    The S400 is cheaper as well, i hunt so payed the extra for the 410 and couldnt be happier.
    If you want to shoot springer class your cant go wrong with any of the springers you mentioned, HFT usualy has alot of prone shooting so test them in the prone position along with standing.
     
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    Where possible I would always buy a full lenght PCP purely for the amount of shots,in a springer I would get a carbine if one was available.
     
  7. keeprightontilltheendoftheroad

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    Hi the S410 is an option as Rowan Engineering developed a single shot magazine. I use a Prosport I'm a springer shooter.
     
  8. biggaz

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    tx200HC, brilliant i say.
     
  9. Darren Petts

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    Why pay extra for the S410 then extra again for the converter only to then have to load left handed or reach awkwardly with the right?
     
  10. DaveC_24

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    I'd probably go with one of the springers you've mentioned at first; so long as you're going to be able to put in the practice, you will learn good technique from the off as springers are more touchy about how you hold them, etc. compared to a PCP. Plus, you don't have any bother about charging gear or running out of air in the field. I second the TX200 idea - it's an excellent rifle which you will probably want to hang on to, especially once you're comfortable with shooting it! The HW97k is a great rifle and opinion is divided over that Vs. the TX200, but I prefer the TX as it feels nicer to me and I like the trigger better, plus I also think it looks nicer. I have the carbine version (TX200HC), and find the shorter length to improve the balance significantly compared to the full-length rifle.

    With both the TX200 and the HW97k, the weight may be a factor; both are a good couple of pounds heavier than your average PCP rifle, which helps them to shoot better (it minimises the recoil with a springer), but if you have any doubts about the weight, I would have a feel of one first to make sure you'll be able to hold it steady.
     
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    if you go 97k i have an immaculate tuned ,177 for sale at the minute :up: just give me a PM if interested
     
  12. AJR48

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    Thanks for the offer. I would have been interested but I'm going to have to trade in a Hammerli 550 to offset some of the cost. I bought that before I did any research which is very unlike me and before I spend (waste) any more money I think I should try both the 97k and the TX200 out. Out of interest how much would you be asking? If it was not too much I could be interested but I've noticed that guns seem to keep a lot of their value when sold on the second hand market.

    Alan
     
  13. AJR48

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    Thanks for the replies. Tried out a few yesterday for comfort. I think I'll go for the TX200 if for no other reason than it's British made and manages to compete with German engineering. It's also slightly cheaper

    To jonnyovy: I can get a brand new TX200 for £353 so I will probably go for that. They will also take my Hammerli in part exchange which will off-set some of the cost. I'm not prepared to spend £300 for second hand when I can get brand new for just a little more. Thanks anyway.

    Alan
     
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    I didn't know that, how do you get more fills for a full length barrel compared to a carbine?. I would have thought it took more air to push the pellet out of a longer barrel. :confused:
     
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    ^^ longer barrels are more efficient and use less air to get the pellet upto speed, also full lenght PCPs usualy have bigger air cylinders.
     
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    Thanks for that, I read somewhere that a barrel length only needs to be about 12" for the pellet to reach top speed and shortening a barrel a little can even make it go over the legal limit.
     
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    "shortening a barrel a little can even make it go over the legal limit"

    Nope a shorter barrell means theres less time for the air to have influence on the pellet, so your more likerly to lose power.
    To the best of my understanding.
     

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