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Rifle For Lsr.

Discussion in 'Firearms Certificate (FAC) Guns' started by talisman, Jun 7, 2019.

  1. Sarge

    Sarge Engaging Member

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    Perfectly legitimate modification, not sure of your issue here.
    As to having someone's eye out, I have no idea what you are talking about - I suppose you could throw it at them, that might do it.:thumb:
    But if you are talking about shooting someone you'll not be operating the bolt with a finger on the trigger, and letting it fall is no different than releasing it normally and letting it fall under spring pressure.
    And a responsible shooter wouldn't be pointing at someone anyway, mod or no mod.:p
     
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    Perfectly legit yes. Safe? Not so sure. I was using the phrase 'having someone's eye out' as euphemism for a negligent discharge. There is tuning within the parameters of the design and then there is going beyond. I would rather have a rifle designed to it off the shelf than have it modded. Your mileage may vary.

    EDIT: Especially at that end of the gun market. You have seen the metals these cheap .22lr's are made from....
     
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  3. Sarge

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    Unless you are completely incompetent with rifle handling there will be no negligent discharge. The only thing modded is the bolt hold open device, it will not change the way the bolt moves forward in any way whatsoever, so the chance of a negligent discharge is exactly the same with or without the mod - ie it is down to the competence of the operator.

    I don't know about you and your gun handling but I would never suggest you have a rifle pointed at another person or anywhere but in a safe direction when you chamber a round, be it a semi or a bolt rifle.
    A negligent discharge is just that - negligent. The negligence is the operator's and not the rifle's.

    Even if you remove this part from the TMH completely (the bolt will not hold back at all) the rifle will still function in every other respect as designed, the round will not fire unless the firing pin hits the rim - unless there is something else wrong with the rifle, i.e. it is dirty or otherwise broken. The fault will not be with the bolt hold open device or lack of it.
     
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  4. Blue BSA

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    If you modify any mechanism to operate there is always a chance of failure.

    If you fail to operate a machine correctly you are negligent.

    I would not do it. What you do is up to you.
     
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  5. Sarge

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    Yep, there is a chance the bolt hold open fails but only during fitting - doesn't fire the action, won't hit anyone as it won't be in use as it is only in fitting, won't hit anyone as we don't point firearms at anyone in any circumstances.

    Yep, you'll be negligent if you shoot someone, it won't be the bolt hold open device's fault.

    Know your limitations - good for you.:thumb:


    I have built firearms for many years, even 10/22 based rifles from billet stock (a great training exercise for everything from marking and measuring to machining and rifle craft). These parts (the bolt hold open device) can be safely altered by a competent person or even bought new and already adapted. This is not some backyard conversion that is not trusted or a bit fly, it is a recognised adaptation to the original design. Volquartsen, Kidd, Timney (and others) make an Auto Bolt Release for the 10/22, so I guess all these are also messing with an original design because it is such a bad issue.

    Links
     
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    Well after reading endless reviews and watching you tube I'm still not sure lol.
    Going to look at a Kriss dmk , Tippmann and SW performance.
    10/22 and Sig522 still possible.
    Hopefully handling the 3 off AR on Friday
     
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    Keep us posted when you choose.
    Atb
     
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    Hell's bells lol.
    Decided to go for the SW 15/22.
    Then , then , I came across an add selling a Tippmann classic for an excellent price.
    A really good price , cheaper than the SW .It was bought 3 months ago but hasn't been fired as the owner is ill.
    Have spoken to both owner and his wife , it is genuine.
    If I buy will have to pop to bank tomorrow and drive down for a look , about 45 miles away.
    Or drive 10 miles to gunshop and purchase the sw 15/22.
    Hmm what to do.
    Think it will have to be the Tippmann, any comments ?
     
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    buffy vampire slayer Keyboard Hero

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    personally i'd go for a tippman or kriss
    don't like the s&w
     
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    Well , had a look at a Tippmann Classic m4-22 today.
    Cut a long story short , I bought it lol.
    Surprised at the trigger, felt much better than the SW.
    Will report back after I have fired a few rounds.
     
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