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red light led torch

Discussion in 'Night Vision Optics and Illumination' started by Cookie69, Dec 30, 2013.

  1. Cookie69

    Cookie69 Engaging Member

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    sorry if this has been asked before?
    I have been going out on my new perm at night, very quickly I discovered the bunnies didn't like the white light on my torches.
    and would be off like a shot.
    I have a Maplins 580 lumen led torch, wish I could find a pressure switch to fit this one? a ultrafire cree XM-L T6 not sure of the lumen on that one? and a tracer LEDRAY 100
    I have tried a red filter on the 580 lumen torch but I struggle to see far enough 10 yrds max I would say?
    the same torch used on white light is that bright you could light up a football pitch in the dead of night and have a game (slight exaggeration)
    saying that the light is well spread and cant be focused to concentrate the beam.
    I haven't tried a filter with the other two because im presuming the lesser lumens would struggle with a filter?

    to my question,
    is there a red light led torch on the market that throws a long concentrated beam suitable for rabbit lamping?
    or is there anything I can do to my current torches to get the required state?
    or am I going to have to learn to get closer to my quarry?
    thanks
     
  2. Accuspell

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    The fact that you can'tsee doesn't actually matter - the eyes will shine back from much furtherRabbits CAN SEE red light too, don't believe anyone that says otherwise, they can also see the red point of light from an Infra Red illuminator, unless you go to 1000nm wavelength one - they can certainly learn to avoid 850nm or 900nm ones.

    POOR light is what you need, not bright light - they very soon get educated about bright lights! Rats are even faster to learn.

    Try green - DIMMED as far down as you can, so it is the merest glow, the eyes will light up and through the scope (any half decent scope) you should be able to see the outline and eyes well at airgun ranges. I have a dimmer in mine, so I can turn it right down to almost nothing, the rats still learn about it and scamper as soon as they see the loom of it. They are very sensitive to anything and very quick to learn.
     
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    Thanks for the tip ill give it a go
     
  4. terry1001

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    I don't entirely agree with Accuspell although I am 100% with his advice to cut down on the amount of light you use, I would also suggest that when out with it you move the light slowly and carefully, scanning from near to far so that you don't suddenly shine the brightest part of the beam onto your quarry.
    White led lights don't work very well with filters, particulalry red ones as there isn't much red light in them. A red led torch of the type which I convert will probably only put out 100 or so lumens but if you zoom into a tight beam you will see far enough to shoot with a 22lr and a bit beyond that as well. For most work it's better to use them zooomed out a good way and a high/medium/low driver option is, in my opinion, a sensible option and will allow you to tailor your light to shoot between a few feet and 100 yards+.
    Green light is in the centre of the visible spectrum for humans and that is why it appears to be brighter than, say, a red beam of equal power. It is also quite visible to most quarry species although it is worth poiting out that animals generally do not see things in the same way that we do and often their sense of sight can be quite poor. Sudden flahes of white appear to be a warning signal for a lot of species, a good reason for wearing gloves and a face mask when hunting.
     
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    hello, before you go and buy another torch try some red sweet wrappers from quality street box tied with rubber band on front torch, experiment with beam to wrappers used.
     
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    Thanks again for the advice much appreciated

    Shame im a roses man :)

    funny you should say that, just before Christmas I went into my local florist and bought a meter of red cellophane £0.50p

    will pop in next week to see if they have some green
    thanks
     
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    Hello
    I seem to sit somewhere in the middle of the comments so far
    I have used all manor of bright lights for foxing
    But on an industrial permission I have full darkness to fully floodlit and the Deben red led torch fitted on my 22 Annie
    I quickly move the beam across the area in front of me to have an idea of what's about
    Then either walk on if nothing is there or turn off and get my rifle ready on sticks
    If I use a pair of new batteries in the Deben I noticed I seem to spook the rabbits for the few seconds I take to aim and fire
    I put a new and a half used battery in the lamp and while it doesn't give to much in brightness the rabbits Ruby's are really vivid
    This seems to work for me
    Alan xxx
     
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    I think rabbits are more accepting of a red filtered lamp as opposed to a white light. My Q5 Cree G3 small lamp can take a 1.5v Duracell or 3.7v Lithium Ion 14500 or 18650's. I started lamping with just Duracells and a white light, the rabbits were very fidgety and poor results proved it. Then I knocked up some filters from gel sheets from a craft shop and photo card sliped over the end. The red filter cut down the beam to around 35 yards from probably 80 but rabbits just sat there with the light right on them, better bags followed. Then I bought 14500 Lithium Ions and the rabbits definitely became fidgety again out to 50 yards with the same red filter fitted.....:up:

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