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Re-finish or sell ?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Skinwiz, Jun 18, 2014.

  1. Skinwiz

    Skinwiz Busy Member

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    Hi all , I'm having a little dilemma , I picked up an AAs400 classic last night for half decent pennies on a bit of a whim , I already have one in .22 but the cylinder and barrel aren't pristine so picked up a .177 which is much better. However , the stock looks like it's been given the fence panel treatment ,it really is rough both to look at and to the touch . Swapping the stock over with the beech .22 isn't an issue unless I'm mistaken , but I'm unsure as to my next best option , have a go at refinishing the stock and turn it into a keeper or sell the .22 in the nasty stock . In my dreams I've turned the stock into a Minnelli number but in reality I'm a bit of a chimp with fine work such as the chequering etc , the nasty stock is going to take some real sanding back , it's that bad I can't even tell what type of wood it's supposed to be . Time isn't important but I don't want to try polishing a turd Only to end up making it worse :rolleyes:
    Any advice appreciated as always .
     
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    Pictures would help.
     
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    I've only got an iphone ken , I'm not sure if it will pick up enough detail but I will give it a try buddy :up:
     
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    You might be surprised when you strip the stock back how good the wood is underneath
    9 times out of 10 the worse of the marks are in the varnish and not in the wood itself.
    If you get some Nitromors you need to try and find this one

    http://www.jpennyltd.co.uk/images/NitromorsGreen.jpg

    Rather than the newer one which is this

    http://www.wilko.com/content/ebiz/wilkinsonplus/invt/0289167/0289167_l.jpg

    The newer one is less effective as one of the main active ingredients has been removed to make it a bit more friendly.
    The only place I have found the old style tin (with the door on it) was on ebay.
    It's easy to strip a stock and a tooth brush in the chequering works wonders,give it a go and you will learn something new.
    Just make sure you get the "old" Nitromors rather than the newer version.
     
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    Managed to get few pics that show what I'm possibly working with . Thankyou for replies so far I will have a read in a moment as I was busy taking pics lol
     
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    I would definitely have a go at renovating the woodwork, after all you've nothing to lose except a bit of time & everything to gain in terms of what you will learn.
     
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    Just had a read of the link above . That's an impressive thread indeed , the only thing that concerns me is that the stock in the link , whilst being excellent etc , is a nice plain stock without any detailing . I'm not knocking the work etc in the link I think its top I'm just concerned about chugging up all the detail work or sanding it out of existence lol .
    Having said all that I'm tempted to give it a go ................................
     
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    If you strip the varnish off first you can see what you are dealing with.
    I wouldnt worry about sanding out detail too much as if you are careful you can use some very fine sand paper near the chequering.
    Just dont attack it with sandpaper.
    I have used very fine wire wool that works quite well.
     
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    Looks like it is host to some mold/fungi! I think it will restore quite well, but it is a fair bit of effort. You will need:

    Nitromors for stripping
    Fungicide to kill the green stuff
    Possibly a wood bleach like oxalic acid to remove stains
    Sand papers of various grit to smooth things out
    Wood stain, probably walnut in colour, to replace what was bleached out
    Finishing oil/varnish
    1 hour per day for a week+ of effort

    The end result can be better than the original; you reap what you sow. But it will never be a GinB or Minelli.
     
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    For the chequering, a toothbrush works wonders with the Nitromors. Careful with the spray though.
    After washing off and drying, some #00 steel wool just to smooth it off a bit.
     
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    I've decided I'm going to give it a bash . After all the positive comments you've persuaded me I might just pull it off guys :up:
    I like the idea of walnut as I'm just finishing hand oiling my tx200 walnut stock at the minute . If anyone has any suggestions of which stain and oil to use I would be grateful , I'm just using walnut oil for the tx but I'm guessing it may be different stuff that gets used on stained stocks ?

    Thanks for for all the helpful comments and offers of help from everyone , you really are a decent bunch ;)
     
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    its well worth refinishing there are some good products on the market to help strip the varnish with little or no damage to the wood use sand paper as little as possible and use 0000 grade wirewool down the grain always looks like a nice project.I have turned a couple of rifles around where the stocks looked only fit to start the fire,just go slow and gentle and when it comes to the stain dilute it and start to build up your ideal colour practice on a old off cut of wood birchwood casy walnut stain is waterbased then truoil and wax but over a period of days be patient its worth it . good luck
     
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    this stock looks to be badly sanded down and stained by the previous keeper and left in a wet garage after

    to refinish it you would have to strip it down with nitromors and give it a good sanding before to apply any oil coating

    it's not a problem if u know how to use your own hands :)

    the other way is to have one of 400/410/510 stocks from bay (usually they going around 80-130 pounds) and sell this one as project stock for another 30+

    will not recommend to advertise your .22 with crappy stock on as u can lose up to 100 from sale price


    p.s. looking on your stock i would recommend to give your "new" .177 a good cleaning and lubing for all inlets, u can change all seals as well.
     
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    Nitromors two or three times until it looks like this [​IMG]

    Only use an old toothbrush in the chequering and wire wool.

    Then when its dryed out start adding coats of CCl conditioner then wet and dry it inbetween and build up a coat until it looks how you want, simples :)[​IMG]
     
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    Just don't sand the detailed parts with anything rough
     
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    One is off to ones local hardware retailer to purchase a bottle of their finest stripper and some wire wool and few grades of sandpaper :)
     
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    Careful with wire wool,some of the steel gets into the grain,once the finish is applied it can begin to rust and go orange...
     
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    after dry sanding, the stock have to be washed with water to get off all residue and dust, and dried after, and gently sanded again with 000.
    all wires left from wirewool will give up when washed.
     

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