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pump or cylinder that is the question

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by 177man, Mar 27, 2014.

  1. 177man

    177man Engaging Member

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    Hi All
    I've just got myself an Airarms s510 .It's not my first pcp but the first in a long while.
    Rapid 7 and s410tdr years ago .Anyway the question is do i buy a pump or do i buy a
    divers bottle .I know there's pro's and cons for both but just wanted people thought's
    Thank's in advance SI
     
  2. andyz1000

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    bottle every time for me
    but then i do have 6 pcp's to fill so a pump is out of the question
    plus i am too lazy too pump;):)
     
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    Oh to have 6 pcp's my wife would go spare but thank's
    for the relpy Si
     
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    2nd Andys comment, but I only got 4 :( and yes I heard he was lazy ! :D
     
  5. SW-Novice

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    Get a big 300 Bar bottle and save on trips back and fore to the shop for refills.
    I bought a 3 litre and if i take into account the cost of a refill (same price for 3 or 7 litres) and petrol plus hours lost
    then i could have bought a 12 litre bottle and saved money in a year.
     
  6. Natgun

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    It's slightly more expensive initial outlay but using a tank to refill takes seconds where as a pump is going to take effort and time.
     
  7. tinmanofkent

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    I went to John Forsey Gunshop in Welling, Kent and asked this. They offered me a pump to try, which I did and very quickly and sweatily and red facedly realised a dive bottle was the way to go.

    James
     
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    Hi from Australia gents,

    First post so go easy as I've got a different view.

    I bought a 40ftlb daystate airwolf with a 500 cc tank a month ago and went with a hill pump for refills. I really don't see the big deal! I shoot it down to 170-180 bar most of the time and pump it back up to 230 in 10 minutes or so. It's really no big deal. I didn't do it to save money but I must admit I love not having to refill dive tanks and the hassle of driving to shops etc.

    Tassie
     
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  9. Natgun

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    I guess it all depends how far you have to travel to get the refill.

    For me, 10 minutes drive, £4 refill works out less than 5p per gun charge. I'd rather pay that than pump for several minutes.
     
  10. trumpetier

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    I have both a bottle and a Hill pump, i admitt 9 times out of ten i use the bottle but its really no bother to fiil my 400 or 200 with a pump.
     
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    Thanks for all the reply's fellas a bottle it is me thinks :) Si
     
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    Both because you know the bottle will run out when you need it most and you can't get to the dive shop.
     
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    The very reason i hang onto my pump ;):D
     
  14. Andrew.

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    How many pumps would it take on average to reach 190bar if your PCP started at 100bar.? I never run any lower than this as a rule so would be very interested. If it's not too much like very hard work they I my invest in a pump.?
     
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    Out of interest (I don't own a PCP) does a stirrup pump lead to any condensation going into the rifle and if so does it affect the internals? I use breathing apparatus regularly in work and when filling the tanks the moisture is removed from the air which I would have imagined is a good thing where rifles are concerned. Maybe the stirrup pumps have a method of doing this I don't know?!?! My choice if and when I get a PCP would be bottle based on this.
     
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    You can get a filter kit for an additional £60 for the hills pump or the hatsan pump comes with one as standard
     
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    Murphy's law says when the pigeons are flocking or the rabbits are overunning the permission your bottle will run out,I have a 12l 300 bar bottle and a hills pump. Now and again I use the pump just go the hell of it,it usually takes about 4 or 5 minutes from 100 bar in my r10.
     
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    Pump before I was working, now a scuba Cus I have money :) just makes shooting more enjoyable to not have to dredd pumping your rifle up.
     
  19. Trouserferret

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    If it's tube, I'd go for pump alone as the costs (and convenience) really show.

    I'd love a diving cylinder, don't get me wrong. But I'll save that for when I'm on a bottle fed system. Once you get the knack of a pump, it's not too bad. After 100 bar, use your bodyweight to push down on it (I have plenty :D ). I can fill my rifle to 205 bar in around 5 minutes. Although not pleasant (don't wear thermals whilst trying it out), it's a really effective way to fill a small cylinder, but if you've the option for both without cost of running being an option, or have a big reservoir, I'd go for the tank. I had considered both, but the initial outlay, hydrostatic testing and the price of filling put me off.

    S510 shouldn't be too far from the volume/pressure I'm looking at with my Prairie, and it's not that bad tbh. And it's free air!

    Mibbe keep a pump handy if you do go for a cylinder though, as others have said. They will find a use at some point. Handy wee things.

    Mick
     
  20. timmytree

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    It depends on how much you use your gun, if you're doing lots of target/plinking then go for a bottle. 3 litre is too small, 12 litre is BIG, 7 is about right for most people.
    For hunting a pump is fine, you'll only be topping up. My S200 runs from 160 bar down to 100 bar, I can fill it with a Hill pump in under 2 minutes without struggling or getting breathless despite being mid fifties and a fag addict for 40 years.
    (Now vaping and fagless for 6 weeks!)
    I've never got through 40 shots hunting and target shooting is more fun with the Prosport anyway.
    The only other consideration I have is the potential danger of a big bottle in the back of the car, I know the thing should be safe but knowing my luck it's a potential bomb!
     

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