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Preferred Zero

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by mikey, May 15, 2019.

  1. Jasglo68

    Jasglo68 Its not about the size it’s where you put it !!

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    12ft/lb .177 35yrds
    12ft/lb .22 30yrds
    :up:
     
  2. QuoVadis69

    QuoVadis69 Donator

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    11.5 yards exactly !

    Why ?

    Because that's the max usable length of my garden without having to move some big stuff around and it also equates to roughly 35 yards on the secondary zero ( gun and pellet dependent ). :up:
     
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  3. StellaArtois Sr

    StellaArtois Sr Springer Whore

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    My range is 60 yards long so I zero all my rifles, .177 .20 .22 at 35 yards, with the exception of my hunting rifles which are both zeroed at 25 yards.
    Ade :thumb:
     
  4. mikeyhall1

    mikeyhall1 Pepe Le Pew

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    30y for me, every cal
     
  5. Gary Jones

    Gary Jones Post Whore

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    Same for me. :thumb:
     
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  6. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Me too! Secondary zero point.

    No you are not! 25 metres is the secondary zero, 9.5 /10 metres is the primary zero!
     
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    Robgriff1 Busy Member

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    I mainly use a 16 grain and zero at 28yds there is little holdover at the ranges I shoot at
     
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  8. Dr B

    Dr B Journeyman

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    You'd need to hold over from around 33yds onwards. The pellet will have dropped about an inch at 40yards. However, if you're not shooting at those distances then you're fine to 33yds.

    The point I was making was for hold-under, those suggesting longer zero distances, with similar pellets, the need to hold under will be increased for the intermediate distances. :thumb:
     
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  9. mikey

    mikey Pro Poster

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    I’m going to zero at 28 yards using 16 grain pellets and see how I get on
     
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  10. Dr B

    Dr B Journeyman

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    Best of luck, I've been using setups based on a 27-28yd zero for many years. Serves me well. :thumb: The peak in the curve of the trajectory will be around 17-20yds but its a small deviation from zero. Try it with a target at 15, 20, then 28yds. You'll get a good feel for the trajectory. :thumb:

    Best of luck with it.
     
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  11. Steve552

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    So I only shoot at the indoor range and the one I use mostly is I think 45yds (They also have 75 & 100yds indoor) would it be better for me to just (Attempt) to zero at that range and adjust if and when I try the longer ranges? I have just put a new scope on top so it will be way out I guess. I have a small plinking range in my back garden of just short of 21yds, would that help any before I next get to the range?

    Hope I'm not hijacking!
     
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    Geezer Busy Member

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    Isn’t that the other way round?
     
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  13. Peter Collins

    Peter Collins Engaging Member

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    20 yards for all mine.

    Simply as I only paper punch and 24-25yards is the most common range.

    I’ll re-zero if I shoot above 30
     
  14. MrOvershoot

    MrOvershoot Utterly exhausted

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    30 meters as on the whole that's what I shoot max at work
     
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    Yeah that’s about right I shoot out to 50-60 which works out at 3-1/2 mil dots but if I’m trying to hit the elevated bell target it’s just on the top of the 4th mil dot down
     
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    Well 12yd is the first time the pellet passes through the LOS so I guess that makes it primary :)
     
  17. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    If you think that 30 comes before 15 can I borrow £30 from you?
     
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    I don’t think there is a dictionary definition.

    Maybe near/far zero is a better set of terms.

    I say primary is far as it’s the one that matters most. If you are mostly shooting at, say, 25-30 metres, especially on quarry, that has to be spot on, let’s say at 27 metres. Secondary is wherever it happens, a function of sight height, ballistics, etc, and it could be (say) anything from 9 to 12 metres on a typical rifle.

    My point being, I guess, that, notwithstanding Chairgun etc, if you zero precisely at the near zero point, you don’t really know what the far zero is. If you zero at far zero, then the near zero - whether it is 9 or 12 - will still be in the kill/hit zone. Not the reverse.

    As an example, the US Army (which has loads of 25 yard ranges) decided years ago that the M16 had a near zero of 25, and a far of 300. So a lot of units would set zero at 25 because that was all they could usually do. But then, to their surprise, they could not hit consistently at 300 when they had the opportunity.

    I have rough zeroed loads of rifles at 10ish. Was I dead-on at 25-30? Not often. Almost never. Near enough to not have to change settings too much, but almost always refinement was needed.

    Unrelated, but, IIRC, back in the 80s springer days, Jim Tyler recommended 22 yards (far zero) for .22” and 27 for .177”.
     
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  19. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Primary happens first, like in schools, you do not go to secondary school before primary. It is the dictionary definition.
    A pellet flies in a curve, it has a high point, if you shoot so that you have the longest possible PBR range the pellet will cross the centre line of the scope twice.
    The first point is the primary zero, the second is the secondary zero.
     
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    Nice and easy setting up a new scope too; grab a mirror and optically centre it, mount it and zero at 12yds, then zero at 25yds to really dial it in.
     
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