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Pp700sa Carbine Pellet Test.

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by PBaz Barrett, Jul 13, 2020.

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  1. PBaz Barrett

    PBaz Barrett 'I love slinging lead me'..

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    Having just received a JSB sample pack, I thought I would do a test on chronograph after recent tune to make sure it remained under the legal limit using various pellet weight's. It was a quick test, each pellet sample fired at 170 bar.. These were the result's..

    Artemis PP700 Carbine .22 Test :

    1. Diabolo Exact Jumbo 5.51 - 1,030g - 15.89gr 03 shots - PF08 - 11.03 ftlb - 559 fps - DV06 - SV02

    2. Diabolo Exact Jumbo 5.52 - 1,030g - 15.89gr 03 shots - PF09 - 11.25 ftlb - 565 fps - DV06 - SV02

    3.Diabolo Exact Jumbo 5.53 - 1,030g - 15.89gr 03 shots - PF09 - 11.32 ftlb - 567 fps - DV13 - SV05

    4.Diabolo Exact Monster Jumbo 5.52 - 1,645g -25,39gr 03 shots - PF11 - 11.44 ftlb - 451 fps - DV04 - SV02

    5.Diabolo Exact Express Jumbo 5.52 - 0,930g - 14.35gr 03 shots - PF08 - 10.83 ftlb - 583 fps - DV06 - SV02

    6.Diabolo Exact Heavy Jumbo 5.52 - 1,175g -18.13gr 03 shots - PF09 - 11.39 ftlb - 532 fps - DV05 - SV02

    7.Diabolo Exact RS Jumbo 5.52 - 0,870g - 13.34gr 03 shots - PF08 - 10.81 ftlb - 604 fps - DV04 - SV02
     
  2. Steved

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    Oh thats interesting I thought the PP700 was a pistol that you could fit a stock to meaning it would only be 6 ft pound, can these be bought in the UK as Carbines and 12 ft pound??

    I noticed a chap on gateway to air guns doing a well controlled test on his PP700 and he was getting 16 to 17 ft pound in the US.
     
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    As long as the stock stays on I believe that this is ok?
     
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    Here we go again...
    :popcorn:
     
  5. PBaz Barrett

    PBaz Barrett 'I love slinging lead me'..

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    Yep in pistol form, <6ftlb is limit, but in carbine version <12ftlb is limit :thumb:..
     
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    PBaz Barrett 'I love slinging lead me'..

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    I dont think you can buy one off the shelf in carbine form that is >6ftlb. However with a permanent fixed stock - in rifle form, <12ftlb is fine. Its more adjustable than a fx impact, but whichever form it is, the legal limit must always be adhered too.. <6ftlb for pistol and <12ftlb in carbine form..
     
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    Yeah I've just checked the local gun shops and SMK they are only sold as 6ft pound, so no good to me, I would love a single shot folding carbine for my rucksack ( poor mans leshiy) but 6 ft pound is no good at all.
     
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    My understanding is that if it is sold as a pistol it does not matter what you do it will always be a pistol and therefor <6flb
     
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    Can you give a summary?
    I'm not on faceache anymore
     
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    PBaz Barrett 'I love slinging lead me'..

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    Well I purchased mine as a carbine with a fixed stock, mod and rifle scope fitted. As all is a permanent fixture, its classed as a carbine, therefore <12ftlb.
     
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    When you say “As all is a permanent fixture...’’, do you mean that the stock cannot physically be removed by simply undoing one screw and a pistol grip simply re-attached thus converting it back to what it left the factory as, ie. a pistol?
    Just curious.
     
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  12. PBaz Barrett

    PBaz Barrett 'I love slinging lead me'..

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    With tools of coarse you could remove stock like on any rifle, but look at the S410TDR, no tools required to remove stock?. And yes they do operate with stock off..
    If you have it as a pistol, then it must be <6ftlb.. But mine has a fixed stock and is classed as a carbine, and to note, there is no limit as to how long a carbine barrel should be either.. as long as it's sub 12ftlb, the legal limit for a carbine (with fixed stock)..

    End of the day, it's up to the owner to maintain legality when choosing between pistol or carbine power levels. Tools are required to remove stock same way as a hacksaw could be used to just cut the stock off a hw100 and make into a pistol grip. But without a hacksaw this would'nt be possible. Same way as you cannot remove stock on the PP700 without tools. You can completely remove stock from a hw100 with one bolt if you wish and it will still operate fully. But a tool is required to do this.. both physically and mentally, and because stock is removed or pistol grip fitted would make it illegal. Obviously.
     
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    What pellets are you finding giving the best accuracy at range ..
     
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    PBaz Barrett 'I love slinging lead me'..

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    With mine JSB Exact Jumbo 5.52 - 15.89gr work very well in mine tbh :thumb:..
     
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    Have you put a reg in it
     
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    No using just the stock reg, but thinking of a Huma tbh. But saying that you cant adjust the huma without stripping so I may just stick with the stock one.
     
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    PBaz Barrett 'I love slinging lead me'..

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    This would convert back to a pistol using tools.. But you cant really class it a pistol here..

     
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    Interested in this . I poses no knowledge of the legality of this but could imagine if it has a fixed stock then is that not ok . If you were to make your own airgun from scratch identical to this using parts manufactured by yourself or bought from engineering companies would that not be almost the same ... just to ask @PBaz Barrett , could it have a permanent fixed stock of the folding kind , again close to being a poor mans leshiy ? Second question , how many shots from a fill ?
     
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    I have one and agree that it is a carbine but the law is,if it was manufactured as a pistol it will always be a pistol whatever you do to it. Another very grey area.
     
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    PBaz Barrett 'I love slinging lead me'..

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    Which ever stock (folding or full) that's permanently fixed to the action, via fixing's that require tools to remove, is classed as a carbine for me.. I would say I am getting maybe 30 shot's from 200 to 100bar.. not great but tune requires refinement tbh.. Trigger is lovely having adjusted it, crisp predictable let off :thumb:..

    This would be a nice addition..

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hirdhawk...082071?hash=item263745da97:g:fYQAAOSwHWJe7O8l
     
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