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Power down a PCP

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by g13marcos, Apr 17, 2014.

  1. g13marcos

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    Hello

    I have a Hatsan AT-44 which i bought second hand as under 12ft air rifle. I had the gun chronoed by my local RFD and it came up at 14ft/lb and now he wont give the gun back as he says that this is illegal for me to hold until it is send to a gunsmith to reduce power. The problem is that i am leaving the UK for good mid May and i wanted to take the gun with me. What are my possible options here?


    Thank you Marcos

    P.S I was thinking of buying a regulator for it, will that help?
     
  2. Egg

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    The only option you have is to have the gun powered-down by the gunsmith/RFD until it complies with UK non-FAC rules. Once it's below 12 ft/lb you can legally take ownership of it. Unfotunately we can't discuss powering down a PCP on the open forum as it can easily be reversed to power the gun up: there's an unwritten rule amongst the various forums re this. The RFD has done the right thing by holding the gun otherwise he/she would knowingly be allowing you to break the law.

    As to exporting it - it all depends on how you're leaving the country and what the laws are when you get to where you're going - obviously UK FAC laws will no longer apply if it's outside the UK.
     
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  3. Tripleteer

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    Nothing else need be said!! Egg has said it all. Facto. atb Paul.
     
  4. g13marcos

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    thank you for your replies

    Anyone knows how much would this process cost and how long does it take?
     
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    Shouldnt take long or cost all too much ONLY a licensed rfd is allwed to do the work so better letting the shop its at doing it as rfd to rfd costs will put the price quite high also check on the on the laws to where your moving alot of europe as a lot stricter laws than ares where airgun powers are concerned
     
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    Where are you going?
    Someone may be able to advise on export if they know the destination.
     
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    Hi should be a quick job to power down - if your going somewhere with no restrictions on power it could be done very quickly as whoever did the work would not need to worry about getting it close to 12 just to make it legal
    if the gun has at fitted you will need this off to power up anyway if you are going somewhere with no restrictions

    cheers
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  8. g13marcos

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    I am going to Cyprus. No restrictions there only the caliber which is .177. Thank you for the info. Now they just have to return my freaking calls...
     
  9. Clubshot

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    As pointed out many times - that a RFD is legally not able to return a over the limit - sub 12FP - They are legally required to notify the local fire Arms Team

    Might have had a Chance if a New Gun over powered - But a Second Hand is a total Loss -

    Most PCP's are AT Sealed and Most Gunsmiths - Do Not have Service Kits -

    As Stated a Air Gun Club will advise you to get it fixed before returning to their Range

    The Law is capable of Exceeding the Sub 12FP Limit. With any weight or Pellet design

    Yes Aware Some Dealers might offer to reduce it - but if Reported that Face a Large Fine and loss of RFD

    BOB/R
     
  10. g13marcos

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    Once again thank you al for the info

    I will contact them tomorrow to know more since they are closed for easter. From what i understood in the brief voice message they left they will have to sent the rifle away for someone to do it. Does anyone know any decent gunsmiths in the Kingston-Surrey-London area that might be able to do the job quickly?

    I am not sure if i trust them to send it to someone they choose as i want it to be done in the next 2 weeks!
    I know that they cannot give it back to me but i am sure i can choose to which gunsmith my gun will go

    Thank you
     
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    Getting it done In 2 weeks is a bit optimistic why did u take it to a rfd in the first place did u not check the power output . shipping between 2 rfds back and fourth can take up to a week then the rfd has to find time to sort it out this will depend how busy they are I'd suspect there will be others in front of u if a decent rfd
     
  12. g13marcos

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    Hello Dave
    I took it because i needed a certificate letter from the rfd that the gun is under 12ft as i am traveling with it.
    I did not check it on my own as I didnt have a chrono and when i bought the gun 6 months ago i was told that it was under the limit!!
    The reason i need it get done quickly is that i will be leaving UK permanently on the 14th of May!

    I would not have taken it if I knew that they would not give it back. And to think that i actually asked them what will happen if the gun was to be found over the limit and they said nothing!!
    That is mainly the reason i an p****d off with them
     
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    That's a bummer mate - is there nobody you trust to forward it on to Cyprus for you when the work's been done?
     
  14. g13marcos

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    I don't think there is to be honest
     
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    Oxi kala.
     
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    Hehe! Not at all!!!
     
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    Perhaps they could sell it on your behalf once the work has been carried out freeing up the cash to fund another as a last resort.
     
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    It will cost more than doing it privately.... but can you not enquire if the RFD can forward it to your new address in Cyprus? Ultimately it's got to be cheaper than abandoning it and buying again when you get there?
     
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    As Stated a RFD can not reduce the power - once logged over Sub 12FP

    Especially now it's been published about on a Public forum board

    Doing so makes them illegal - large fine and loss of their RFD - they can not Ship it as a FAC

    Most Air Gun Dealers will not get involved in personal Export's - Sub 12FP or FAC - Time and Effort & Cost

    BOB/R
     
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    Did you see it produce 14lb or are you taking their word for it? i'm not implying any dishonesty on their part but maybe they want you to buy a new air rifle.
    otherwise, do you know anyone with a FAC that would buy it from you?
     

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