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Posting Catch 22 and ParcelFarce Idiocies

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by AlsoFishes, May 28, 2015.

  1. AlsoFishes

    AlsoFishes Well-Known Member

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    Had a friend try to post me an HW77 and some bits to the Azores, Portugal. On the Post Office INTERNATIONAL website it clearly says:

    Guns for sporting use
    Guns intended for sporting purposes - including Section 1 and Section 2 firearms, low-powered air guns and their component parts - may be sent in compliance with UK law and subject to applicable export controls on the shipment of firearms. The sender’s name and return address must be clearly visible on the outer packaging.

    OK...
    Just one thing: Royal Mail only carry Parcels to 2 KGs!!! So Rifles can't actually be sent with Royal Mail internationally at all!
    So it was sent ParcelForce by my friend, who do NOT carry airguns internationally. They are deemed unsafe to fly! Shower of 5hit that they are they put it in the gun cage at the airport without displaying this standard tracking message on their tracking site:
    Held in depot - restricted contents
    – the parcel contain goods that are on our prohibited goods list. The recipient may be contacted or the parcel destroyed depending on the contents. Please contact us on 03448 00 44 66 with your parcel number to discuss with us.

    Consequently it spent a month there so I had to chase it. They also claimed the return address was missing (which is a blatant lie because it's right there on the returned parcel!)
    It was then returned to my sender friend in a bad state whilst the tracking site showed it as being sent on to me, the receiver in Portugal. No refund of the extortionate postage of 65 quid was provided.

    I finally totally lost my cool with the third "customer services" drone I was passed to, a professional fobber-offer, after two others, between waiting to a barrage of recorded advertising drivel in between.

    I am totally flabberghasted at the utter, utter shower of 5hit that are Royal Mail, the Post Office and Parcelarse!

    There are more contradictions on the websites regarding prohibited goods. They provide totally the wrong country specific info on the Royal Mail Site and the correct info on PDF on the Post office site (PT legal airguns are fine to send to Portugal)
    http://www.upu.int/uploads/tx_sbdownloader/listCustomsProhibitedArticlesEn.pdf


    So, why can I get airguns and pistols sent from Holland, Germany and elsewhere but get stuck in a putrid expanse of administrative excrement trying to get one sent from poxy Britain?
    No wonder GB is known worldwide as a nation of muddlers (proven beyond doubt by its farcical gun laws, see SA threads)!

    Still trying to figure a way to get the HW77 to Portugal.
     
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    I can't agree more with everything you've said!

    I only uses Hermes! Never had an issue with them! Other than been a little slow! Give them a look!
     
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    Everything you say is correct. Perhaps the fact that the ceo of RM is a gun hating woman has a little to do with it...????.
     
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    the rifle you can break into piles of 2kg and send ,looks like the only way . I split parcels all the time even for parcelfarce and put inside it , PARTS ONLY .
     
  6. AlsoFishes

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    Yes, I was contemplating dismantling it but I think the HW77 action, being underlever, is in one piece and over 2KG. Can one take the barrel off an HW77 ?
    I'll look into using Hermes, thanks, may be the best gamble. The other thing I was thinking was to use one of the budget carriers that compile loads into pallets or containers before sending it surface mail, that way it's less likely to get scanned. I'm never gonna buy an airgun from GB again, that's for sure. From now I'll just buy brandnew at a greatly reduced prices from the EU. Thinking of a Hatsan 135 for long distance target shooting next...
     
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    As for the MD of RM being a woman, lol, I was wondering how one could deal with such creatures.
    I think those kind of strutting wenches are best told that guns are a man thing and weak scared little girlies can't use them, that way they try and prove you wrong.
     
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    She is from Canada though where owning guns isn't so restricted! :)
     
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    There is nothing to stop you using Hermes. It is not illegal. However, they will not knowingly deliver/carry air rifles/weapons.
    You are ok as long as they do not discover the contents. If they do, it will most likely be confiscated. It cannot be insured with them.
     
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    I didn't know that! I've always posted them insured at £250 and under sporting goods? Couldn't find anything related to air rifles!
     
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    You are spending money on insurance for an event that cannot happen. They don't carry weapons. If you need to make a claim you will need to supply photographic evidence. There are probably in excess of 100 threads on this site that discuss carriers.
    The only carrier that will knowingly deliver an air rifle is ParcelForceExpress48, the maximum insurance you can claim is £100.
    No other carrier will knowingly deliver.
     
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    Hermes only do International parcels if you send over 100,000 a year.
     
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    Well you learn something new every day!
     
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    AlsoFishes Well-Known Member

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    ...But not strictly true... Carriers do have services for registered RFDs, Parcelforce do. It ships from RFD to RFD.
    Obviously there is no *practical* reason for them not to ship guns, it's either to do with law or simply making it a closed shop.
    Yet we can get airguns from Europe quite easily when sent from abroad, they have no qualms about delivering those.
     
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    ah, so we can receive airguns from europe but not deliver to europe? so maybe a problem for buyers of guns from europe but can't send them back for whatever reason?
     
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    Royal (!!!) Mail have lost two of my sent packets quite recently including part of a broken pistol sight sent to a member on this forum, my only redress was to be sent a pack of 6 first class stamps which I duly ripped up and sent back, to say I despise them would be a massive understatement.
     
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    Not sure I would trust Hermes after a golf club I bought got 'damaged'....then due to health and safety.....got 'disposed of at the depot! Hmmmmmmm:mad:
     
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    Myhermes is the biggest joke of a courier since yodel. I refuse to use both at any cost even if it means spending more elsewhere. 90% of what I have had delivered with them both have arrived broke or takes a lifetime to get here and I can't be bothered with the hassle of returning.

    sh!tty link were the worst by far, glad they are no longer with us...
     
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    Iv'e had serious issues sending and receiving through MyHerpes and Yodel before. I now ALWAYS use ParcelForce/ Royalmail and happily pay more just for the piece of mind!
     
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    They are all a gamble. I use parcel force within mainland UK as they do not X ray. The minute any parcel goes near an X ray machine, bozos get involved.

    If you need an air rifle sent to the Azores (lovely place by the way) then order and pay for it from a European seller and get them to send it to your wet portuguese paradise. :)

    Oh and when the nosy cow in the post office asked me what was in the 48 parcel force package I said hydraulic valve ;)
     
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