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poor quality of top labelled pellets peoples opinions

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by peterpan, Jun 26, 2014.

  1. peterpan

    peterpan Engaging Member

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    all my opinions will be to do with 22 pellets,,forget what your barrel likes ,this is about the quality consistant size's ,weight, and damaged pellets iv only used a certain amount of different ammo so i would be interested to hear about other brands of pellets and peoples thoughts of them as i want to give other pellet brands ago these are the pellets iv used ill start off with accupel very well constructed pellet but every tin iv bought have had 3 different size's in the tin which over distance will have affect some are tight some are loose and some just rite.shame but not good enough same again with h&n ftt great pellet but again some are really tight some are just rite different weights why should people have to sort and weigh out pellets h&n coppa coat jobbies totally awful fit.awful power out put but super quality ..rws series superdomes fantastic quality for price but seem to be alot that was different weights ..smk black domed pellets a bit like superdome very strong pellets and quite expensive but you have to get rid of the swarf what is still hanging off at the skirt of the pellet 75% of the pellets are all this way so more times than not you have to run your thumb nail arount the skirt to remove all the loose lead .crosman premier just same as accupel but only have two different size's instead of 3 in the tin .tried rws superfield cannot really comment on these as they was to loose for my barrel and accuracy was awful but i hear lots of good comments about them..there are many pellets i would like to try in my hw97k but dont like taking £13-£15 chances anymore hoping they will be a good pellet i know you can get tester packs .personally 20 pellets or what ever you get just isnt enough the only true pellet iv come across perfect size's and weight every time is air arms field 16g but even these can get quite a few dented pellets even though they are the best protected pellets iv bought.i would like to try some bisley pellets like long range gold .falcon accuracy plus day state range tried the li's but was really tight in the rifle i was using at the time .im guessing the jsb exacts will be as good as the air arms ..there are stacks of different pellets you can get from dbay lets have your top 5 pellets on quality weight and size consistancy alone.not what your barrel likes would be intresting to see which one comes top the most
     
  2. themadspread

    themadspread Donator

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    jsbs(who also make aarms)are the best ive used in hws
     
  3. Yokidoc

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    My top 5
    Milbro Jets , SMK Thunderbolts , Bisley Magnums , Milbro Caledonian and Crosman Pointed.
    No complaints what so ever.
     
  4. Skinwiz

    Skinwiz Busy Member

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    Had a problem with H&N FTT myself recently , every few shots one would drop out the group , it happened to a few of us so we decided the range was haunted . Mate said change your pellets see what happens so I went back to the JSB exacts I was using prior to 'upgrading' to the H&Ns . Groupings are tighter than ever now . Funny things pellets .
     
  5. jesim1

    jesim1 Kit bitch to the Stars

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    Pellets are defo weird:eek:

    All my rifles are on JSB Exacts in 4.53, but suddenly my Panther is throwing them all over the place and can't miss with H&N FTT? This is despite the JSBs being from the same batch, but a different tin? Just goes to show you have to challenge your thinking on pellets if accuracy suffers, the first reaction is there is a problem with the gun, because you think you are using the best pellet, you don't expect it to change diet, but it can. I'm sure this is more down to the different tolerances in pellets rather than any change to the gun, but there is no way to tell if the batch is the same, despite what it says on the tin.

    James

    James
     
  6. vitalich

    vitalich Keyboard Hero

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    PAX pellets all the way

    Defiant for daily use
    Dynamic for special ocassion
    HFT - you know...

    And tin of jsb exact just to feel the difference, not for use :)
     
  7. Damon

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    JSB Exact Jumbo Express 14.35gr for me in my R10. Nothing else comes close in my opinion.
     
  8. npmair

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    After getting some very weird results following a FTT 4,52 pellet batch change from my beloved Venom tuned HW97

    View attachment 99028

    I collected as many different batches of FTT 4,52 as I could get at the time and tested them. This is what I got:

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    All shots were taken at 25meters, always aiming at the center cross and after 10 lead-in shots were fired before shooting at the target.


    Going one step further, following the same procedure as above, I did a similar test with different types of pellets and here are the findings:

    View attachment 99030
     
  9. jambo1984

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    yeah I'm having troubles with my ranger I found it liked aa field heavies I was getting lovely fingernail groups.. I went out got me a new tin and now I'm getting 2 pence groups ..its so frustrating
     
  10. jw74

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    I've just picked up a hw97kt from a chap that has found that air arms fields are its favourite diet.he gave me a full tin of them when I bought the rifle.it was shooting lovely! Ive bought another tin and I will get 5 in a lovely tight group then 1 or 2 will drop an inch or so low,then back to tight groups again! I was going to try ftt or jSB but on reading this I don't know?
     
  11. npmair

    npmair Engaging Member

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    The ONLY solution is "trial & error" ;)
     
  12. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    My BSA Super 10 was tested by an independent expert (John Bowkett) following a fettle, the best pellets he tested were the Defiant Ogive by Pax, the next best were Crosman Premier Ultra Magnum, the worst were my old favourites to despise, the JSB/AA lot. The same follows for my guns, JSB seem to be the worst next to Spitfires!
     
  13. Accuspell

    Accuspell Pro Poster

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    Pellet head size is very important for accuracy.

    The 4.52 chap - your rifle appears to prefer larger head size pellets. Barracudas went well at 4.53.

    Thos who find the odd shot drop out - that doesn't make the pellets poor, it is just one or two in the tin that are perhaps a little smaller than the others. Manufacturing tolerances - buy MATCH pellets and they will all be the same size, they will also be more expensive, because of the checking of tolerance costs and the throw out costs.

    Finding a rifle has suddenly switched preference...try cleaning the barrel and using the same pellets again.

    I have to agree with Moley, Defiants are fantastic pellets. I have used them for years, not the Ogives, I haven't tried them yet, but the Defiant 14gn work so well I have seen the need. You need to give them a good chance before they work sometimes, my first go needed 120 odd shots before they started grouping, then they produced 5p sized groups at 50 yards and still do with the L size in .22 - if I use M head size those groups immediately open up to 2" and with S head size nearer 8"...go back to L and they are bang on the money again.
     
  14. Clubshot

    Clubshot Clubshot

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    Many who have tried correctly with a Clean Barrel and Action have Found Defiants to work in their Gun's if they use the right Head size

    I have offered 50 pots of Defiant Pellets for Ages @ £1.00 per pot plus P & P

    As they are made on Single Die set and with a lazer that measures the Slug before pressing - they have the same consitancy

    Also Packed in Plastic and cardboard Boxes they do not get damaged as rattling around in a Tin -

    But now past carrying if Shooters want to use others rejects -

    Better for Pax to Export than deal with UK limited Markets - Joys of being in a World Market Place

    BOB/R
     
  15. npmair

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    That is correct and this is why I tried other sizes too.

    However, my main point is that despite carrying on with the same pellet make and subcaliper (4.52 in my case), the test card proves that there are differences between production batches.

    Furthermore, the HW F&t Special 4.51 - made by H&N and very similar if not the same as FTT's - although of smaller nominal size, they fit tighter in my barrel and produced very similar results with some of the "larger" FTT's.

    And also, well did the 4.50 Barracudas !
     
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  16. terry1001

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    The OP was about quality rather than which pellets work in which rifle, so :focus:

    Assessing the quality of pellets is not easy. I only buy the known 'brand' name pellets, I've seen some of the cheaper ones and concluded that they aren't fit to be melted down as scrap.
    Most of the time I use AA Fields or JSB Exact, depending on the rifle although I sometimes use Bisley Magnums and I do have some others to try as and when I get the time and inclination. One thing which I have noticed, and it seems to be contrary to what others have reported, is that the JSB pellets (this is in .22) have a large proportion of damaged skirts while the AAs are much less likely to be damaged. These are from undamaged tins and are always (in my care) treated properly. A new tin of JSB I opened a few days ago contained about 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 pellets which were so deformed that I threw them away.
    I did weigh, individually, a couple of tins of AA Field in .177 (from different batchs) which have a nominal weight of 8.4 grains and found weights varied between 8.0 and 8.9 grains although there were only a handful of pellets at these extremes. I only did this because I wanted to check out a shot string after adjusting my regulator system, it's not something I would normally do.
    I haven't checked any pellet dimensions as I'm not sure that it can be done properly with a micrometer.
    Clearly a lot of factors affect the performance of a pellet in a particular rifle and it's not really possible for the shooter to measure them or to know how slight changes will affect the down range trajectory. Some you have to take on trust, such as head diameter and weight (written on the tin) but what about variations in lead hardness, concentricity, length which are never mentioned in the specification. Maybe it's best not to worry too much about it.
     
  17. npmair

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    I suppose, within quality is also contained the production consistency of a product. i.e. the product remains the same in every production batch through time.

    In the case of my example, it is evident that there are differences between different batches (I quoted the different batch numbers next to each group).

    So are FTT's quality pellets or not?
     
  18. Clubshot

    Clubshot Clubshot

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    Most Wasted Design Pellets are made on Multi Head Rollers - So Each Batch will have different pellets sizes over time

    As All Dies do wear in when using soft Lead -

    BOB/R
     
  19. Harwich Shooter

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    do you still have some Bob? My .177 HW100S likes the 4.50 H&N FT trophys but I would like to try these defiants.
     
  20. Accuspell

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    Just buy a box of the M size and use the first 100 to scrub the barrel. ONLY THEN can you begin to assess their suitability to your rifle. A pot of S and another pot of L will then tell you which head size your barrel needs. Bob might be able to guide you better from his experience and feedback from other HW100 users.

    Certainly the Defiants are super clean when they arrive, not a bad pellet amongst them and no swarf or black guff in the bottom.
     

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