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Advice Pistol advice please

Discussion in 'Air Pistols' started by PhoenixElite, May 28, 2014.

  1. PhoenixElite

    PhoenixElite Engaging Member

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    Hey all, have some well earned tax money being returned.. thinking of a pistol.. Im justifying it by a *put down gun for injured bunnies* but really I just love em :D

    Ideally my dream gun would be a Glock 9mm replica .177 PELLET with blowback and deadly accurate but unfortunetly that doesnt exist :( sooooo
    what is out there?

    http://www.ranger.uk.com/product/gamo-pt85-blowback/

    what I have found so far.. doesnt have to be super accurate but full penetration of coke can at say 15m, not used for hunting just plinking and point blank on the rare chance vermin is injured, blowback for pure awesome factor, same goes for semiauto

    MUST LOOK SEXY! haha
     
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    ohhh have being reviewing and reviewing, and have seen nothing but good about these guns! similar to beratta px4 with better accuracy harder blowback but chews more gas..

    surely someone has used them before?
     
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    I have two pt85s, the standard and the socom. Bought them on a whim and rarely use them. Not very powerful or accurate but good fun for blatting cans in the backgarden. Never touch them now I have an Alecto.
     
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    ohh alecto, I will look that up! would you sell the standard? ;)
     
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    probably would. But have a look at the alecto, it is single shot but very accurate (won the winter hft comp with mine) and full power.
    looks good too.
     
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    I just watched some youtube of it! very nice! not what im looking for though.. I just want a cheaper gun for fun... so the price for your pt85? ;)
     
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    Hey dude, with respect to pellet blowbacks they're ain't alot.

    Umarex do a nice Desert Eagle, but I think it only gets around 4 mags from a bulb. Looks awesome though!

    If you're only gonna be plinking, why not go bee bee? Some of the models out there are great. The Tanfoglio Witness (Colt 45) or the GSG92 (Berretta 92FS) both perform how you'd like, and are heavyweight and good fun. I Had a GSG, strips like the real thing and is easy to customise and maintain. Great fun in the back garden.

    Got it for £65 second hand, and with a bit of TLC it was peachy! Got it a red dot and polished the barrel/mag butt and hammer. looked great.
     
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    I have a PT 85 Blowback, and whilst it's fun it is not particularly accurate.

    The sights (fixed, non adjustable) are on the slider and, of course, are independant of the barrel - so it's never going to be consistently accurate.

    You just have to find out where it shoots and aim off.
     
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    i use a umarex morph, brill for backyard tin cans
     
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    To be honest I’d say there’s no point in worrying about power with a CO2 multi shot, with the exception of a very few it’s pretty minimal, plus there’s the cooling effect the more shots you fire. For example I’d definitely recommend the Gamo (I’ve got the P25 same as the PT 85 just a different shell) it is a nice fun pistol, accuracy is OK too, but I’ve seen it bounce off a can at less than 1 meter. Don’t let it put you off though, it won’t spoil you’re shooting experience.

    But, Trouserferret’s advice is as good as you’ll get, consider little round balls and the wider choice of models they’ll give you. I’ve got pistols by several different makers, Anics, Baikal, Ekol, Gamo, KWC and S&W and if I had to keep only one it’d be the KWC TFW, although I realise it won’t last forever.

    There’s a good thread just down a few places on the index about this topic too.
     
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    Beretta 92FS in Nickel,although it's not blowback or powerful enough to kill pests,it's heavy and realistic and puts a smile on my face every time I use it

    http://s985.photobucket.com/user/mattyts/media/P1000351_zps7f1bb8b4.jpg.html
     
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    going back to the original OP's post, most replica CO2, BB, blowback are low power. Top power pistols will be single shot (Alecto, 2240, HW45 etc.) most likely unless you go for top PCP type pistols (Brocock)
     
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    thanks for the advice guys, Im getting more and more confused with all the research I have been doing..

    I definetely want blowback, and heavy.. Im more after the replica awesome factor

    I would like it to penetrate coke cans at at least 10m, is that going to be possible with blowback? if not does pellet or bb have more power (blow back comes first ;)

    optional advantages would be slide lock and adjustable sights but not essential

    before anyone says it I realise the pt85 is not a replica of any gun :)

    whats the accuracy difference between bb and 177 pellet? and power difference if any?

    anybody know the max range on a coke can with pt85, and how many shots per bulb.. still looking like my fav
     
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    I've got a Swiss Arms SA941 which is a 4.5mm BB firing replica of the Israeli Jericho pistol. It looks good, feels solid, and fires 22 *** from a single magazine. Power drops off a bit but you should get half a dozen mags from one gas bottle before it gets too low.
     
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    thanks for the advice guys, Im getting more and more confused with all the research I have been doing..

    Then stop, realise that you’re doing what we all do at first which is trying to tick too many boxes in one go.

    Firstly forget power and forget penetration in a self loading Co2 Multishot. The only one out there is the Crosman 600, there are a few around second hand between about £250-£300.


    If you want a replica with blowback, you’re going to have to trade accuracy, range and penetration for a bit of fun, which is the only thing these pistols are designed for.

    As for Bee Bee or pellet it doesn’t make any difference except for the fact that Bee Bee repeaters will be smooth bore, in this category of pistol accuracy will be about the same. Also Be Bees will ricochet more, but you can use lead balls if you like to cut this down.

    The Gamo pistols are great; they’ll probably last longer than a relatively authentically functional Bee Bee shooter, to be honest though they’ll never be as much fun in my book. Remember they’re an 8 shot revolver on which the slide flies back and cocks the hammer. It doesn’t index the cylinder, the trigger pull does.

    In short I’d say instead of research, have a look to see which pistol you like the look of most, PT 85, .45, Sig, etc and go for that one. Also pop over to the UBC, and check out this guy’s reviews on youtube;

    http://www.youtube.com/user/mozzieblue1/videos
     
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    As Ben said, you'll need to decide on what you'd rather do with it before you make a decision.

    The gas blowback beebee pistols are great fun, in full heavyweight outfits. Smooth bore, so suffer a little in accuracy.Pellet firers feel great, being solidly built and able to put pellets (nearly) where they should go, but leave you lacking on the realism side of things. The only compromises I've seen are the Umarex DE, Beretta Px4, and the Gamos that I've seen mentioned previously. I can't comment on the accuracy side of things as I've never fired any of them, but being blowback I'd expect somewhat of a discrepancy comparing them to beebee anyway.

    If you want a full metal, moving slide that locks back after the last round has been expended at the price of a slight accuracy decrease, choose the beebee.

    If you want something solid and reliable with better accuracy but minus the moving parts, choose the pellet.

    Another Youtube channel to check out is: Replica Airguns

    I think this guy has reviewed every air pistol produced in the last few years (just search his channel for any model you're interested in).

    Hope this helps (as I know fine well it will just give you more to think about :D).

    Mick
     
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    I would consider the Tangfoglio Witness,its BB but very realistic to the colt 1911,it will penetrate several coke cans and they are not dear.

    It ticks all your boxes except adjustable sights but I bet you can fit real 1911 match sights onto it.
     
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    Sorry to keep jumping in but I'm stuck in tonight and there's nothing on TV.

    If you want something solid and reliable with better accuracy but minus the moving parts, choose the pellet.

    To be honest TF with pellets you won't notice any particular improvement in accuracy with these blowbacks. If anything my TFW is more accurate than the Gamo.

    There's a very nice option available at Eton guns, the unbranded Sig Sauer X5 with adjustable sights.
     
  19. Trouserferret

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    I'd give another vote for this, my GSG had a weaver rail to which a red dot was attached on the underside, but the sight picture was still quite hit and miss what with the floating barrel and all.

    If you go for the Witness, look for the Limited Custom. There's plenty of options available for customising and options for mounting optics on it, and is used by a lot of the IPAS shooters. I still keep my eyes peeled for a nice 'un!

    Plus it looks sexy as hell! :D


    Limited Custom link

    Edit:

    It's ok mate, wasn't talking about the blowback pellets, just pellets in general. I haven't shot any blowback pellet poppers. I imagined they'd be about the same accuracy wise. I was talking about the CP88's, 99's, 1911's, 92FS's and .586's. A little more accurate, but not as fun. The only blowback pellet firer I've heard (real) good things about was the D.E. And that seems to cost quite a bit...

    My GSG used to be able to ping a can about the same range as my CP99 (and was a lot more satisfying) and that was with a smoothbore! :)
     
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  20. edtwozeronine

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    All I've learned from personal experience is my Webley Tempest can easily make holes in coke and beer cans at 4-5M also after a few hits it can even start to penetrate baked bean cans too. Unless your a practise-a-holic though I doubt you'd hit much more than a barn door over 10M. I occasionally got lucky and hit cans over 10M but it's more fun and easier at 4-5M.

    Shot some Guinness cans in half in my back garden.
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