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Pirates

Discussion in 'Get it off your chest' started by andyhawkx3, Nov 18, 2008.

  1. andyhawkx3

    andyhawkx3 Major Poster

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    To stop, or combat these Somalian pirates, we should put some of, the Q ships out there. (like used in the last world war) Gun ships that look like cargo vessels, that will shiver there timbers.
     
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    me and me mam were talking about this today , now pirates wernt very much hurd of in the last what 100 /200 year . now would the laws on piracy have changed , if not i would not like to be them when they get captured :eek:
     
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    It's funny the way the media acts all surprised over this, it's been happening in that part of the world for some years. At this very moment, there are 14 vessels held captive with around 270 crew being held. I know 20/20 hindsight is a marvellous thing, but would you send $100 million dollars worth of your property half way round the world unprotected:confused:
     
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    Send A1 (Capt Pugwash) over there to sort them out :cool:
     
  5. i8allthepies

    i8allthepies Posting Addict

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    Good idea, tell him to take Master Bates and Seaman Staines, they're his oldest friends.:up:
     
  6. simply james

    simply james Banned

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    yeh send a1
     
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    Rockabilly Big Poster

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    yeah and send his two scottish mates...ben doon and phil mc cavity!;):D
     
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    this happens on a daily basis.
    its just getting headlines because the somali boys are just going skits at the moment.

    it's since the Royal marines shot a load of them the other day
     
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    i think the royal marines do a great job
     
  10. a1gunner

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    sure do:up:

    just i must admit officers are at a bit of a sticky wicket here

    if they blow the boat up the:
    kill the pirates and hostages
    release a load of oil into the sea
    really anoy the oil co.

    if they send in marines they could:
    lose marines and hostages and cause damage to the boat

    if they wait the priates win.

    as an officer its a tough call.

    plus theres rules of engagement o think about and theres all sorts of legal stuff in the way.

    hostages really make operations like this tough
     
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    good points a1
     
  12. Andy

    Andy Administrative Staff Member Founder

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    Send in the SAS. ;)
     
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    simply james Banned

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    yeh they will do
     
  14. 12BoreMax=P

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    ohhh the sas will get the job done !:D
     
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    No SAS wont,cant say why,but they wont!!.
    SBS are a better option though,water is their thing!!;):up:

    Thing I dont understand is why they dont arm these boats!, 2x .50cal machine guns or 2x20mm mini guns would make all the difference!.!!

    ME:mad:
     
  16. a1gunner

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    well the SAS really only get called in if they start executing hostages:down:

    they figure "well these guys are totally do lally and wont reason so were going to lose all the hostages anyway."

    send in the SAS and every hostage that is alive at the end is a bonus:(

    sad but true.

    oh and the SAS isnt general they have various patroll's IE
    land sea air and stuff:up:

    so yea the seamen SAS are the way to go.

    the royal marines do a good job in a one on one fire fight but the SAS are better when you need to come in and suprise them and put a few 9mm rounds from an MP5 up the jacksie:D
     
  17. i8allthepies

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    You've been watching too much Hollywood and reading too much Sun and Andy NcNab, A1. There are a host of reasons why it won't be an SAS show, here are a few.
    1. The SBS ( Special Boat Service, there's a clue in the name ), are the elite special forces wing of the Royal Navy, and part of their reason for being is 'Recovery or protection of ships and oil installations subject to hostile state or non-state (terrorist) action.', so if there is any British Forces involvement, these would be the boys, headed up by M Squadron who are specialists in maritime counter-terrorism.
    2. Since the ship and it's contents are owned by Saudi Arabia, and 19 of the 25 hostages are from the Phillipines ( as against 2 Brits ) there is not much of a mandate for British Military involvement, unless and until it is requested.
    3. A good deal of negotiation and consultation will need to take place, largely because of the various legal implications - as you have rightly pointed out - one of the key people our government are likely to consult is Lord Paddy Ashdown, partly because of his skills as a diplomat, and also because of his distinguished career in both the Royal Marines and the SBS.
    4. Because the Arab world has been holding us to ransom over oil supply and prices for so long, we are unlikely to be willing to help them now they are being held to ransom, at least not until we have struck some very good deals behind closed doors, I expect us to make full use of the ten days the terrorists have given. I won't be crying too hard for the Saudis.:D:D:D
     
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    id be right if they were British tankers though i think:confused:

    i watched the documentary on the Iranian embassy siege:eek:
     
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    It would still be the SBS:up:
     
  20. a1gunner

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    yes it most probabally would be the boat troop:up:

    i think its what i said in above posts:confused:

    what fields do they have, think its air troop, boat troop, mobillity, troop and mountain troop:up:
     

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