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Picking a shotgun

Discussion in 'Shotguns (SGC)' started by scottwood, Feb 14, 2014.

  1. scottwood

    scottwood Engaging Member

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    I have been interested in getting a shotgun but im not to sure on which one to get. As I do go pheasant and duck hunting sometimes but mostly im at my perm after pigeons and crows. I like the look of over and unders. My budget is pretty poor around 300-400 as thats all the other half will aloow me to spend. I knwo thats pritty bad for shotgun price but there must be some ok guns out there for that?
     
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    scoop Busy Member

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    Why spend all that cash on one shotgun i got a webley & scott bolt action single shot for £60 and an old belgian side by side for £20 and is tight as a new gun thinking of getting a hushpower and . only knows what after that
     
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    hello, yes there is and i had a few O/U less than £500, best one lanber sporter although an oldy was about £200 and very well made. you need to do a lot of research on trigger systems, chokes to your shooting if not multi choke and gun fit is very important. you might use different shot for say pigeon to duck so need understand shot sizes to choke patterns. you say you go shooting now is that just air rifle? if you never use shotgun before find this book s/h shotgun shooting by j.e. ruffer for a fiver its good, pigeon shooting by archie coats to about a £5 if your near a decent RFD go and have a look and shoulder a few, you dont need to buy!!! unless a good s/h one is available at your price!!! and suitable as i explained. try a few clays?? a good lot of research will pay dividends in the long run to get the gun that fits and suites your needs eg weight/ chokes and price. so good luck
     
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    It's exactly the same as airguns and as ever one man's meat is another man's poison - what might suit me to a T might be the worse gun you've ever handled, saying that Lanber Sporter are lovely guns. Your budget should get you a tidy 2nd hand gun, no sweat. Best thing to do is shoulder as many as you can, shoot them if at all possible and make your decision from there.
     
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    hello, yes that lanber was the best O/U i ever bought and if i had not given up my licence i would still have it and would out last me ha ha, saying that i now have a perm where i could use a shotgun:rolleyes: !!!!!
     
  6. darklord

    darklord Can’t beat a tx200 at 30m

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    for your budget the best gun you could get and i mean best. Miroku 3600. there absolutely lovely guns will be old but better than any lanber lincoln, resini etc.

    even a beretta 686 onyx would do shop aroung thats a good budget for a used gun.
     
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    Happy days thanks all really useful information there. I think I should look into the different types of chokes as I am not to sure on the differences.
     
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    I know I dont want a pump action. Is there ajy major difference between a side by side or a over and under? Or is it simply just down to people preference
     
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    hello, if you shoot a rifle go for an O/U with raised rib, the majority of shot gun shooting is with both eyes open, hence if you do sometimes close 1 eye you can remedy. buy the ruffer book. as for chokes these new guns are most multi choke but some are standard, research shotgun patterns eg phesant is most 6 shot duck is 5 in normal range pigeon is 6 over decoys 5 is roosting, long range duck is 4 but you would not use that inland. this is what i used, clays 7, pheasant 6, duck 5 or 4 at longer range, crows magpies etc 5. my lanber was 1/4 3/4 chokes most used. improved cylinder/3/4 choke over decoys.
     
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    hello, your right Miroku made japanese shotguns when first introduced into this country they were one of the best made O/Us, back in the 60s my friend had a very early one and shot 1,000s of cartridges and expect still working well, nowdays they gain a high price s/h thats why i thought a lanber was in this members budget. but fitting is most as important as the gun its self
     
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    Right so the number of shot is that determined by distance?
     
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    darklord Can’t beat a tx200 at 30m

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    There are some 800 series and 3800s out there and the best I've shot which wasn't me was a miroku skeet 26 inch barrel lovely little thing. i have an MK38 teague chocked. I love it feels heavy but its perfectly balanced.

    I'm not knocking lanbers there fine but the workmanship on the lanber is on the budget range. my first gun was a lancer then a wilma ts21 which was lovely in the wood but now have 2 mirokus 1side by side cost me 400 quid. lovely field gun.

    What about a smei auto. but avoid pump actions like the plague.
     
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    Miroku are basically the same actions as 425 Brownings and made in the same factory from the same machinery, the Brownings 425-525 were then stocked in herstal Belgium, all the top brownings are made from scratch in Belgium though.

    My first gun was a Browning 425 grd 3 and I wish I still owned it as it was more like grd 6 but it was a game gun so didn't like clays so I used a beretta for clays.

    However my mate bought a Miroku at the same time and his was a sporter and weighed a bit more, so it was a nicer allrounder, he paid a lot less than me for in effect a better gun.

    If you can get one do it, brilliant guns for the money, some of the best clay shooters in the world use Miroku.
     
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    The number of shot is the size of each little bb in the shell.[​IMG]
    The bigger the number the smaller the shot. 4, 5, 6, are the sizes you will mostly use on small game and birds.
    Very large shot have letters rather than numbers. These are for specialist purposes like foxes etc.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    Argh yes ok I see that . Makes sense to me now lol. Ok so nwxt question is chokes what is the difference between them all? Which is the best one to pick or is that different for everyone?
     
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    The more choke the tighter the pattern and the more dense the pattern will be further away. But it will be harder to hit a mid range target.

    You need to balance a lot of things.

    How well you shoot. If you are starting out you need less choke and keep the range shorter to give you the best chance of hitting the target.

    How far you will be shooting. There is no point shooting full choke at 35 yard decoyed pigeons and putting that much shot in them that they are not fit for the table. (If your purpose is to shoot for the table as well as pest control.)

    If you are doing pure vermin control job and are a reasonable shot you may shoot a tight choke in both barrels so as to get longer range performance, killing as much vermin as you can.

    With a double barrel most people have an open choke and a tighter choke fitted.

    Choke sizes from a wide spread to a tight spread are: (British)
    Cylinder
    Improved cylinder
    1/4
    1/2
    3/4
    Full
    Extra full
    Turkey
    There are more sizes but the above are the common ones.

    The quality of the choke makes a big difference too. Modern extended after market chokes out preform standard ones by a good way but can cost £100 + each.

    If you are shooting 35 yard decoyed birds there is little point in fitting £250 worth of chokes.
    If you are shooting very long range flight line pigeons or very high game birds it may be worth your while keeping your pattern as tight and uniform as you can with a tight high quality choke and good cartridge.

    The only real way to know is to get your gun and your chokes with your cartridges on a pattern plate or some cardboard or paper at various ranges and examine your pattern.
    ( although 2d and patterns are 3d)

    Modern quality guns cartridges and chokes throw patterns we did not think possible years ago.
    Cheers Andy
     

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