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Photon

Discussion in 'Night Vision Optics and Illumination' started by mmamonster, May 3, 2014.

  1. mmamonster

    mmamonster Pro Poster

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    Just ordered a yukon photon and heard that you need a better add-on ir.
    so when i got some spare cash i will get one, but which one ?
    anyone with a photon recommend one ?
    thanks
     
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    I got the pulsar x850 thrown in with the £400 because my RDF is a good egg and I spend lots of $ with him, I'm sure there are probably better cheaper options available, TBH if using with an air rifle I doubt you'll need extra IR anyhow, mine reaches far enough and I've stretched my limits too far ( almost 70m unintentionally). The on-board seems fine to me, that said I've only used it for a week!

    The scope itself is cracking for the money but don't expect perfection for this sort of price. Accept you need to bring something to the party...;)
     
  3. mmamonster

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    Thanks for info, putting it on my .22lr and i know its not top nv but cheap enough to try,if you know what i mean.
    how much are the pulsar x850?
     
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    I think they are about £100- give take £20. Ive had one on mine for a couple of days and I'm not seeing any need to fit on the HW100 . That said when I fit it to my CZ which is soon, I'll need extra illum I expect.

    As long as you accept it's not top dollar as you do! you'll be pleased with it hopefully. :up:
     
  5. some bloke

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    A low power 501b is all you need for those ranges: It's nice and compact and a low 25mm weaver mount gets it fitted nice and close to the objective bell.

    I think young Terry sells them on here. If Terry don't got one I can help but he's the one that puts a lot of time in on here sorting you lads out so try him first please.

    A fishermans coaster that clamps onto the focus wheel is also very handy, as is a removable lens cap with about a 25mm hole in it, this might help you get your head around why:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F-BxiP63MQ&feature=youtu.be
     
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    i've not got a photon but i have a pulsar challenger and the onboard ir illuminator on that is poo so i got a t20 with olson black the torch itself is pretty light but well made the adjustable beam is a doddle to use it goes from flood to spot without any undue effort , nice and smooth , it's 3 mode low-mid-high power that swithches between modes easily and quietly and on high it'll easily pickout eye shine to a couple of hundred yard with scope on x6 so if using bigger magnification i should imagine it'll be further but if thats not far enough i believe you can 'upgrade' the lens to 66mm which is what i was going to do but decided not to as it would be a waste of money for me for the ranges i shoot at using sub 12ft/lb
     
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    The poster is not asking what you need for your not very brilliant sensitive NVD, that's not being rude, just realistic.

    Your NV requires loads more IR than a 5 mag Photon. This 501b was more than needed for subsonic ranges, Notice you see the blood, brains and pellet exit detail too:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5yxfAwwzVM


    Your T-20 should be much better at scaring off nocturnal quarry: Especially at those ranges when they are more likely to detect you with their other senses once you light them up. If you can see eyeshine then those eyes saw your IR light. What you may not have considered is when your T20 is zoomed wide your eyes cannot see the eyeshine that is watching your IR light.

    In case you might think I'm pro 501b for everything - I also sell T20 IR's.

    Google 'tapetum lucidum' to learn why minimal IR is best, especially at subsonic ranges - unless it's a bit of willy waving that's really wanted.:)
     
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    well if the t20 does scare off quarry i cant say as i've noticed and as far as them seeing the faint red light on low power then i think i'd need photographic proof of it as when they're a couple in the same spot i can take a shot and it's the sound of the shot that get's the others on their heels otherwise they'd be off as soon as i light them up and yes i have used a 501 before and in my opinion the t20 beats it hands down and what's willy waving? sorry mate but i'm not into that sort of stuff :kiss: :D
     
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    Haha, I'll agree the T20 has loads more IR output than a low power 501b - that's the point I was making. Horses for courses and all that.

    The challenger needs a lot more IR than the Photon - which can often be used with absolutely zero IR.

    Sounds like you don't have light shy bunnies there you lucky man. :up:

    Cheers, Dave.
     
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    talk to terry he does sell IR torches i got one and wouldn't do without it now

    and what terry doesn't know about them doesn't need mentioning
     
  11. terry1001

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    Thank you very much for the kind words, I only wish that I did know more but I do try!
     
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    I've just ordered a new Photon so do you know what size the removable end cap you suggest needs to be and where I can get one from (I've got a spare coaster)?
     
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    hello, credit where credits due terry if not for some very good forum members like your self or ken hawker, somebloke or cloverleaf with his knowledge of air rifle mechanics and others the forum would be less attractive to new comers which of recent has been quite a few and can only bring others in the fold of air rifle/pistol shooters however they shoot HFT, hunting or even plinking in the back garden.
     
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    Some very good advice in your posts, backed up with video footage. It doesn't really
    get better than that. One question if I may, Where do I get a fishermans coaster for
    my photon please.

    Thankyou Lee.
     
  15. some bloke

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    Hi Lee, Breakaway coasters: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/1713...f11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108&ff19=0

    Neil,

    I don't have any left ATM after too many people bitched about the cost of machining both sides from oversize Acetal bar stock and making the exercise profitable. At £30 for a bit of plastic I can see their point, few know the cost of making a piece of plastic an exact shape and fit to do a specific job TBH. I might make some more when other work I'm tied up with slows down. They were machined both sides to allow an IR pass filter to be glued to the front of them.

    Meanwhile, I have been told some small aerosol can caps can be slipped over the objective - bung a 25mm hole in it, but it's better for covert spotting and 'stalking' if you remove it and don't use IR, so make it removable or flip up.

    Some custom machined ones that I made:

    [​IMG]

    A much cheaper piece of plastic, injection moulded and falls out of an unmanned 24/7 Chinese machine in thousands for another purpose - but now recycled:

    [​IMG]
     
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  16. mmamonster

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    Good work, what's a IR pass filter ? Thanks.

     
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    hello, you see this is what i meant reference my last reply on this thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and yes i know that somebloke reference machining/ setting up/ cost of material etc etc but for you to now put an alternative!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wheres my nearest bloody WILKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D:up:
     
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    Thankyou some bloke,
    It never dawned on me fishermans coaster / breakaway coaster... I think I have some off a beach casting rod.
    Imformation greatly appreciated

    Thankyou Lee.
     
  19. terry1001

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    For daylight shooting I have added a Butler Creek flip up, the one to fit 52mm objective, which has a plain black lift up section. I have a 10mm hole drilled in the centre with a piece of dark red photographic filter material behind it. This cuts down the amount of light reaching the camera enough so that it can be used until it gets quite gloomy and then I simply flip the filter out of the way.
    The Photon is very sensitive, maybe too much so for a 5x scope and it doesn't need as much ir as you might think, certainly on an air rifle.
    If you keep your eyes open and use a bit of lateral thinking it's quite surprising how many common household items can find a new life as shooting accessories.
     
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    Thanks Terry & Somebloke.

    I'm having a good picatinny rail fitted on my CZ455 17HMR so I can change between the Photon for night use and my Hawke Varmint for day use without losing too much zero.

    I'll try the Photons built in IR first then if that's not good enough I'll try the zoomable IR torch I bought off Terry but will I still need the flip up front cover with the 25mm hole if I'm only planning on using it only at night time?
     
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