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Photon

Discussion in 'Night Vision Optics and Illumination' started by army andy, Feb 10, 2014.

  1. army andy

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    Think my first night sight and before it gets a slagging off I am happy with it, compared to the stuff I used in the army it's pretty good.

    my question is how are people getting on with different ranges are they clicking up and down or are they guessing holdover or any other useful suggestion ?

    thanks
     
  2. ratman60

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    hello, i set mine up for an average 25/30mtrs as i only step out this range, then i shoot a shorter and longer distance and see where pellets hit on the target so i know where to place the cross hair at a 25mtr to 40/50mts my maxim range if you understand. once i zero in i dont touch the adjusters. i have a FX T12 in .177 using JSBs heavy pellets with my photon on and as yet dont use extra I/R as i have yukon recharge battery on weaver rail. i must say many photon user find more I/R better for the scopes clarity and have to agree so its worth thinking about this too, my set up is mainly rabbit shooting walking grass fields with a home made bipod. i dont use the red/green thingy but i do get the front eye diopter set perfect to my eye sight and then some sparky black tape around to stop movement. some others on here find the front lens adjustment tight and using a fishing reel strap called a coaster as yet i dont either. there is lots of info on here regarding the photon eg extra I/R etc just do a search or ask away. oh i rate this n/v scope despite the little niggles like clarity/IR etc but once sorted can be made much better and a 3 year warranty. if i was looking for another n.v system i might look at the new starlite oh maybe next winter!!!!!
     
  3. landymick

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    Shot a rabbit with my new Photon first time out with it still not sure what to make of it yet,sure it should be clearer.Does anyone have a dark horizontal line across image like TV image or is it the front cover?
     
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    front cover for day time use and you will find adding extra I/R will get a better view at night. terry 101 or some bloke on here can help with info on I/R, i think many are using a T6 torch but with a 501b and I/R led with replaced lens to convex and black out reflector. just go on the night vision thread
     
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    Tried it with out lens cap but couldn't get it clear,i don't wear or need specs.Cheers will have look on night vision.
     
  6. terry1001

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    If you're wanting to use it during daytime you will need to restrict the amount of light entering the scope. The original filter will do the job nicely but, to my mind, seems too easy to lose so I have fitted a flip up with a 10mm hole in it and a dark red filter behind the hole, it works well.
    IR leds will normally give a better picture than the onboard laser.
     
  7. landymick

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    I really only want a dedicated night set up but at moment is far from perfect,the image from some bloke is loads better than mine.The IR you mention is it red light ?I got a led cree but must have ordered wrong one as it is just led torch.
     
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    We have a load of different ir illuminators between us at ******* you are more than welcome to try before you buy.
    Cheers Andy
     
  9. terry1001

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    The Photon doesn't need much ir and for air or rimfire rifles you only need quite low levels of illumination compared to add ons behind scopes. IR light is invisible to the naked eye (you can usually see a dim red glow around the emitter), if you were to use red (visible) light you would almost certainly have too much light for the Photon to work properly.
    It's difficult to comment on any problems you may be experiencing without seeing the scope in action but even with the onboard laser you should get decent results, an ir led should make the image clearer and more evenly lit.
     
  10. landymick

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    Thanks for offer will have to try them out,cheers mick
     
  11. landymick

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    Will have to try an ir,is it possible the focus ring is not quite right as mine only seems to have a small range of movement or is this normal.The onboard laser seems to make it glare, too much light so back it off.It is difficult for you to comment with out looking through it but pretty sure its not right at moment.I really need to see another myself to compare with.Cheers mick
     
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    The focus ring has, or should have, quite a bit of movement. Often they are very stiff to move and I have put a coaster on mine to make turning it easier, it will (on mine) focus from very close out to infinity. Try the focussing in daylight with the filter in place just to check that you can get it to focus across a wide range of distances, this will be a bit easier than trying to do it in the dark.
    If you can get this sorted out then have a go in the dark, start with something about 40/50 yards away like a garden fence or a building wall where it's easy to tell what you're looking at and turn the unit on but only rotate the dial a small amount - just past the on position. If you let it settle you will probably find that you can actually see a fair bit and then turn on the laser and the image should be very bright. If you then point it at something further away and slowly tirn the dial until the image is bright enough.
    The laser is quite bright and I could see the light from mine on trees nearly 1/4 away - nowhere near enough to make out much detail but obvious that the ir light was reaching the trees.
     
  13. landymick

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    Ok from your description it leads me to think it is the focus ring as i can't focus at all distances,will try as you said first.Thanks for your input.
     
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    My focus ring was too stiff even with a coaster fitted so I sent it back for inspection. They replaced it with new straight away
     
  15. landymick

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    Cheers,think it will go back first to be checked out.
     
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    Don't confuse 'too stiff' with too small a range of adjustment if you get my meaning - or too short a depth of view in photography terms.

    I had the same issues where even the tiniest amount of adjustment took it from one side of nearly focused to the other side. I also returned it - and got it back with a note that it was working in the way it was expected to. Then whilst trying to sort out what I thought was a light reflection issue out I stumbled on the iris issue.


    Long story short and simplified: Compare the massive 42mm diameter hole at the front of the Photon that light passes through to a quality camera lens. If you check out the light passage 'hole' at the rear end of the quality camera lens you will find it is maybe only half the diameter - and then has a means of further restricting light intake with an adjustable iris that will totally shut out all light.

    Check out my video to see the difference how putting a lens cap with an iris hole in it over the objective transforms the focal quality - and allows the focus adjustment to be be much less critical: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F-BxiP63MQ&feature=youtu.be
     
  17. landymick

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    Seen your vid & its image its miles better than mine,another problem i think is a thick black line at bottom of image about just under a third obscuring the view if you cover the objective lens its still there so not end of mod?
     
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    The image you see is being displayed on a tiny screen - and you can see the one edge of it as you near full travel of the turret adjustments.

    If you shim up the rear of the scope a tad, a more central part of the screen may coincide with the central part of the reticle.
     
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    I think the screen is down to the mounts you use or the calibrate of your gun on my .177 the screen is in the middle with equal distance on top and bottom, when I switched it over to a ..22 in had to adjust the sight up loads to get it zeroed which made the screen fat at the bottom and thin at the top.
    adding an ir torch made loads of difference with the focus I found I didn't need to touch it, could see rabbits 30 to 70 meters no problem.
     
  20. landymick

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    It is indeed .22,the rear mount has been shimmed this has sorted the image back central just need to clear the image up a bit as said with IR torch.The focus ring is still a bit stiff but working correctly so I'm told.Will update if any changes made in neat future cheers chaps.
     

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