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Photon or x sight

Discussion in 'Night Vision Optics and Illumination' started by danban, May 16, 2015.

  1. danban

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    Hi I'm after info on these. I like the idea of having the same style set up as no add on. Only thing is are they any good?
     
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    hello, the photon in one word yyyyyeeeeessssss
     
  3. terry1001

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    Both are good, which is better for you depends on how you hope to use it. The Photon can be used in daylight but that should be considered as only if you're desperate as it's usable but the image isn't that good compared to a normal scope or the X Sight. The X Sight is more expensive but it does work day and night, it has zoom and recording ability plus quite a few other functions that you'll probably never use. The X Sight is also easier to zero but it has a built in weaver mount so you'll probably need to use an adapter.
    The 3-12 X Sight is a better option for use on an air rifle/.22lr although I did check mine the other day and it will take a doubler lens, I'm not quite sure if that's useful or not.
    The X Sight is being updated all the time and a number of issues have been solved, you will probably read a lot of negative reviews but these are generally out of date, the 3-12 version does now have manual focussing and the reticle will now remain central in the screen. I would expect to see further updates and improvements over time and it's a simple matter of downloading a file onto a SD card, putting the card into the X Sight and switching it on and then following the simple instructions.
    A new version of the Photon XT is due out soon ( it's been due out soon for some time) which will have slightly higher magnification and a larger objective lens to compensate for this, it won't be zoom.
    I would point out that with any sight of this type you're going to be looking at a lit screen and it can cause eyestrain, headaches etc if you look through it for long periods in the dark. Both sights can reduce the brightness but you should think about this if you think it might affect you.
    I do have both scopes plus add ons, in my opinion an add on is better for something such as ratting where you're probably shooting or scanning all the time and the others are more suited to rabbit shooting either stalking or ambush.
     
  4. ratman60

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    hello, i note terrys points but i am old school and prefere a simple type n/v thats why i prefere the MK1s :rolleyes: hopefully i can find a good s.h 5x40 ssssoooonnnn to go on a rimmy when my ticket comes,
     
  5. r10hunter

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    The doubled xt is far better than a mk 1 especially for powder.
    I would defiantly check one out before committing.
    Cheers Andy
     
  6. r10hunter

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    One thing to bear in mind is that a photon xt and a doubler taking it to 8 mag. Plus a night vision range finder will be the same price as an x sight.
    You will want an ir torch for both.

    The photon works better than the x sight in the dark but not as well as the x sight in day light.

    The x sight is harder to mount and line up on the gun you can't just use adjustable mounts like you can on the photon you need to use weaver adapters and shim them. This can make for an uncomfortable head position for some people.

    You may not use either sight to shoot birds day or night.
    If you only have one rifle look at a DIY add on.
    Your main problem at night with air power or rimfire is range finding so if going for a dedicated night rig and you don't need recording ect I would go for a doubled photon and a range finder for the same cost as an x sight.

    If you want recording or use the same gun in the day to plink / go squirrel shooting / rabbits on a sunny afternoon ect the x sight is the way to go.
    The photon needs to be twilight and night vision really.
    The great thing about using a photon and range finder together is you put the gun on your back as there is no screen ect to knock ect, and you do all your scanning with the range finder.
    Once you know you are at the range you want to be at drop the range finder in your pocket and take the gun off your shoulder and shoot.
    Cheers Andy
     
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  7. ratman60

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    hello, i note yours and terrys points i have not made up my mind just yet, looking at the X sight it would be better in the daylight as the photon is like shooting after snow ha ha but i dont mind as most of my shooting with n/v is dusk till ??? the X sight has to many gadgets that i would never use. i do have an air rifle daylight set up this i hope will be for the rimfire when i eventualy get my ticket. i shall then have 3 main rifles 1 a .22 for ratting with photon mk1, 2 a .177 with day scope and the .22 rimmy with n/v and i hope a semi auto 12guage. have sold my AA 410 hoping the brocock soon then wait and see what deal i can get for a CZ and semi auto. never shot an auto 12 guage, so it will be a learning curve at 65:D
     
  8. terry1001

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    I've never fitted a doubler to a Photon as I've not personally felt any need although I have followed the discussions with interest. As I understand the situation there can be issues arising from this modification which involves fitting an adapter to the scope and then screwing the lens into the adapter. The adapter is a sliding fit to the scope and should be fixed in place with a strong silicone adhesive to avoid continual problems with zero shift. Removing the doubler lens will almost always alter the point of imapct so it's probably not going to be very convenient if you want to swap between ratting and rabbitting on a frequent basis.
    There have been reports of the importers refusing to honour the warranty if they see that a doubler has been fiited although this wouldn't be an issue with a used model.
    If anyone considers fitting a doubler it would be a good idea to go for quality parts which. although more expensive, are likely to give good performance.
     
  9. dave goodall

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    As any u lads bought the xsite from eBay from over seas the price seems very responsible
     
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    The new adapters most people are using now are the screw in ones not the push on ones you need not glue the adaptor on anymore for small calibers. For centre fire loctite is recommended on the threads.
    http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=331552865412
    http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=181728368503

    Although my two adapters are the old type I have the £70 lenses as above. I have never had a problem with them and they transform these scopes for me. The depth of field and the way they balance the light improves greatly as well as far greater clarity at range. The lens comes with the pop out centre ( pin hole or 25 mm hole) as fitted to the photon xt but obviously a larger version.

    I zero every rifle every time I go out anyway so not an issue to me giving a couple of clicks if I take the doubler off or put it on. I never bother to remove the doubler really anymore unless ratting indoors anyway.
    If you go ratting indoors and out on the bunnies the same night you can just leave the doubler off.
    Cheers Andy
     
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  11. terry1001

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    Those are the quality parts needed for a successful conversion, unfortunately some people have used much cheaper bits which aren't up to the job. The XT version does now have a threaded front lens which will take screw in adapters which is much better than the slip on type. The Yukon nv lenses do have a very good reputation and seem to perform better than the camera lenses that were previously popular.
    The reported improvements in the image after fitting a good doubler are very interesting and a worthwhile side effect. It's certainly well worth consideration for anyone who might benefit from some extra magnification.
     

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