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Photon - jury's still out.

Discussion in 'Night Vision Optics and Illumination' started by Tim_B, May 17, 2014.

  1. Tim_B

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    Hi all,

    had my Photon a little while and hadn't had the chance to use it since having a play at the range. Well last night was the first night I took it out.....and think I need some time to adjust.

    I have been following all the threads and intend to do the suggested mods, however last night I thought take the base kit out and see what it can do. I bought the Yukon from a friend and it also came with Yukon's own Extra IR torch.

    So, off I went. What I found was the picture was very good, although I did have trouble seeing my zero targets (SMK standard ones) at 33 yards - but I thought that must be me. Putting a bit of black electrical tape in the middle definately helped. But do wonder how to see clearly at 33 yards for a good zero. Does the screen need time to "warm up", or am I missing something?

    It was also annoying that I couldn't tell whether the onboard IR was on or not unless I looked through the scope, where the picture was different.

    So I thought I would try the Yukon IR add on torch.....inserted two AA's (good quality rechargeables) - and nothing. There was absolutely no difference to my sight picture - again, couldn't tell whether it was on or off as no little light etc. so it's either faulty or I haven't got it aligned correctly.

    Overall though I was impressed with the picture quality an onboard IR and ended up with a bunny for my troubles. I think I just need to spend a little more time with it....I nearly succumbed to going back to my lamping kit as that is what I am used to :)

    cheers
    Tim
     
  2. ratman60

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    hello, dont dispair these photons can be made to get better clarity and i dont use any other I/R for night hunting, i dont use in daytime. look up the modification using a can cap with a 25mm hole mentioned by somebloke on here recently, the front lens adjusting ring can be stiff at first and some use a breakaway coaster off ebay see earlier threads to get a perfect view as making sure the front diopter is set correct and i use some black sparky tape to hold ring. with just a little modification i get a 40% increase in clarity and see very well to 100mtrs.
     
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    The Photon is a very different experience as what you are looking at is a magnified image of a tiny black and white screen and it certainly will never have the clarity (and colour) you get with a decent scope. It is more difficult to estimate range and you do need to put in some time to get used to it.
    When you switch on the on board laser there is a tiny green led lit just above the switch, turn it off when not in use as it will drain the batterys.
    The additional torch should help, you could briefly look at the front of it to see if you can see a red glow. If not then check that you have the batteries in correctly, if I remember correctly the Yukon torch that I had a while back wasn't clear as to which way round the batteries went in and it was quite misleading. I'm not sure if rechargeable batteries will have enough voltage to run it, they should do but when you check that they are in correctly in may be worth trying a pair of Duracells as well.
    If you're having trouble with zeroing at night it may help you to use a tiny piece of reflective material as your aim point. I notice that you're not far from me so I could let you have some if you'd like it, just drop me a pm.
    I don't know if you extra torch is a laser or led, leds do give a better and more even illumination, but it may also have focussing and if you are mounting it on the side weaver mount it could be lighting up the wrong area as some of the mounts don't seem to be aligned correctly and a narrow ir beam may well be lighting up an area outside the field of view of the scope. You can always take it off the mount and hand hold it to see if it does provide some extra ir. Unfortunately working with ir light is much more difficult than visible light but the results can more than make up for that.
     
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    Thanks Ratman and Terry - I'm not giving up on it yet as the scope itself worked fine, it's just different :)

    Ive zero'd it in both the day and night, but think night is easier at night......will be more so with the reflective tape. Thanks for the offer Terry, I think I may have some somewhere, if not I'll take you up on your offer.

    The front focus isn't that stiff, but the coaster makes it easier to adjust.

    When I switch on the scope itself the light on the onboard ir is on.....it stays on even if I click the button at the back of the ir.

    I'll try try the batteries in the additional ir, failing that I'll come knocking on your Terry for one of your ir torches :up:

    Cheers
    Tim
     
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    Terry - just checked the batteries and your right...I had put them in the wrong way round :facepalm: A little embarrassed :redface:

    There is a nice little diagram on the side of the torch which I couldn't see when mounted......can confirm I now have a red glow. Will now have to test what effect it has....

    thanks again....
    Tim
     
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    tim, these batts are recommended by thomas jacks photon importer, AA ENERGIZER ULTIMATE LITHIUM cheaper off ebay from BABZ shop, they last the best i found unless terry can say another type or a good quality recharge set?. you also might think the YUKON recharge battery unit the goes on the weaver rail, check out in booklet with photon, it runs for 8 hours and costs £80. i only bought as was using 2 batts a night.
     
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    I don't use the onboard ir, luckily I know someone who does ir torches :up:. This means I don't have the higher current drain that the lithium batteries can support and as I have to buy Duracells in bulk for the dozens of electronic toys that my grandchildren have I tend to use them.
    The Photon will take an external power source as well, from memeory it's 12 volts so I have considered using a 3 cell Li Ion battery pack but haven't tried it yet, you can buy one as an extra but I have no idea as to the cost.
    I'll have a look at mine for the power on indicator/laser on to see if I remembered how it works.
     
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    I've just mounted the Photon on my 10/22 so I'll be going out with it tonight but just in standard spec without an additional IR illuminator or modified end cap for now. I'll go before dark to zero and then try it out in the dark although there is a full moon tonight so here's hoping............:)
     
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    hello, never had a problem with mine in moon light as these are digital, but i do try keep to shadows if rabbit hunting and ratting
     
  10. Tim_B

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    Thanks Ratman I'm using energiser re-chargeables....not sure if the are the ultimate lithium, I'll check. I have two in the scope, two in the add on ir and two spare for measure. I'll check out the ebay ones and add to my collection :). Although it helps if I put them in the right way round :)

    just went and zero'd it in bright sunshine with the lens cap on and it wasn't bad.....I'll make sure when I next take it out. It did remind me to order the flip up cap for the red filter I have ready for it.

    cheers all
    Tim
     

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