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Philippines or Jap?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Lydford, Jun 3, 2015.

  1. Lydford

    Lydford Posting Addict

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    So, if you had to choose, would it be Jap or Phillipine glass? I have Jap glass in my excellent '90's Tasco and Phillipino in my Bushnell Legend. Both are excellent and streets better than other scopes I own with Chinese glass.

    If I had to choose I would probably say my Legend takes some beating but what are your thoughts? :)
     
  2. matt goodson

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    Its not really anything to do with which county of origin, as theres only a few lens manufactures and they use the same type equipment, its down to how much the scope maker wanted to spend.

    Would you like to make a guess where the glass that Leupold uses comes from? I'll give you a clue, not germany, japan or the philippines...
     
  3. Lydford

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    Surely not! You can't mean ... no, really ... Ch ***!:eek:
     
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    My Bushnell Legend Ultra HD scopes are Chinese and stunning. Better than the older model Legend (I have some of them as well).

    Country of manufacture is academic - quality and grade of materials and assembly count for much...
     
  5. Lydford

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    Well, you live and learn!
     
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    Totally agree, I have the Legend Ultra HD 4.5-14 x44 and unless is looked I'd never of guessed it was from China.

    I also have a couple of Original Jap Trophey's and I'd say they edge it over anything else I have including two original Jap Tacco's.
     
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    Yep :)
     
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    The thing is, we discuss quality from a skewed perspective.

    More and more air rifle shooters are using a scope the size of a lighthouse and spending money on 'stuff' rather than quality optics.

    It's weird (to me) that someone might sink £300 into a mediocre scope (optically speaking) that has 'stuff' on it but they wouldn't dream of buying into infinitely better optical quality with less 'stuff'.

    If enough people say something is good it becomes fact, whether it is true or not.

    Often some of the people who say it's good might have little to benchmark against, so 'good' becomes relative and devalued or diluted depending on the point of comparison.

    One chap at the range a while back loudly stated he would never own a Chinese scope because they were all crap. I handed him one of my rigs with a little Bushnell Legend Ultra HD scope on and he was blown sideways by it. I let him go on about it or a while before I dropped the bombshell regarding its country of origin ;)

    There are good and not-so-good options at every price point, and there is nothing wrong with not spending fortunes.

    You can get the most out of modest kit or constantly try to buy into 'better'. Sometimes the kit can help your shooting, but often you can improve that in leaps and bounds simply by practising with what you have.

    I've had excellent results from a £50 scope and recently got rid of a £500 one that I just didn't get along with. Go figure.

    For knockabout use I like Nikon Monarch, Buckmaster and Prostaff (in that order) or Bushnell Legend. Further up the food chain I really like Meopta, more than some of the big names in fact, but this is because my eyes seem particularly suited to them. Vortex do some good scopes without spending fortunes but my eyes seem to struggle with them, which is a 'me' thing and nothing to do with the optics, which are pretty amazing.

    A lot of Nikon's binoculars are made in China now...

    If you can find the old Simmons Aetec or Whitetail hunter scopes they are optically superior to the vast majority of currently in vogue air rifle scopes. The lack 'stuff', but they offer significantly better clarity and light gathering.

    Some guys are pushing the SWFA 10x42 scope to 800 yards plus in America, and the same guys don't need that much more magnification to go out to a mile.

    So what exactly do we need to get a pellet on target out to, say, 50 or 60 yards ?

    I'll get my coat :rolleyes:
     
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    My jap tasco ag 4x40 I bought in 1994 second hand to go on my fenman is streets ahead of my Chinese ag 4-14x50. It's just so much brighter. The clarity is stunning. I think going to x50 to gather more light is nonsence, you just need quality optics. The 4x40 is way brighter than the 4-14x50.
     
  10. Lydford

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    Yes, my little Tasco is a 4x32 which I have mounted on my HW50s - great combination!
     
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    Great post 177, totally agree with all you say, including you getting your coat :eek:

    There are those in life that love gadgets whether they can use them all is a different matter. Take my mobile, Sony Xperia Z1, love it, camera is good, clarity is as good as I need from the screen....do I use Facebook, Twitter or any of the Sony apps.... In short NO. I use it to make calls, text, post on this forum and read emails. That's it, for me the rest is pure crap and no required.

    Then you have those that have the funds and will spend on whatever they like.

    But I agree with you on this.
     
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    As far as i know there is only a few optic manufacturers in Japan and all are expensive but all supply a good product albeit expensive, the chinese market is different as there is a lot more of them some are good others are crap,it is not so much about where the lenses are made ect it is about wich company has made or supplied them. As some have said the newer legends are made in China and are opticaly really good but they are not cheap. In my experience good is good regardless of where it is made.
     
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    Touche!!!!!
     
  14. Lydford

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    I have just had a look at another of my scopes, a shiny black Bushnell Sportsman, and this is made in China. For a budget scope around £100 this is excellent but not as good as the more expensive Philippine made Legend.
     
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    I've been in fork truck sales for over 25 years and have visited thousands of factories across the UK & Europe and been amazed at what goes on behind closed doors! Top manufacturers re-badging their perceived top of the range products to in-house products for other manufacturers and retailers selling for hundreds of pounds less.

    Some examples of this we're CD players, videos, TV's etc but the best by far was a cereal bar producer that made them for all the supermarket chains with the only difference being the wrapper used. The big surprise was the fact the same bar was also sold by the leading weigh loss company at twice the price :eek:.....sometimes we pay a lot more for the same product with the only difference being the branding badge!
     
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    Philippine for me in general. But I do love the light stream ffp glass
     
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    Nikko Stirling have started making there lower down scopes in China but with glass made in Japan. Unfortunately that glass is clearly made using inferior production methods to the general Japanese industry as its somewhere between the general Chinese quality and Korean
     

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