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Question Perfect break barrel for a custom build

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by tomsteebs, Jul 3, 2014.

  1. tomsteebs

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    Right I'm considering another venture.

    I'm getting info together on some nice wood for a custom stock. (olive, ebony or rosewood), but I thought why not make a full custom jobby of a springer. ie shrouded, fully tuned, stock

    Break barrel is my prefered springer and of those I'm liking hw95's and old deep blued longbows.

    But surely others are out there that would make a good platform?

    Hw80 (is this really a fac orientated hw95?)

    Cheers
    Tom
     
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    The HW80 has a larger compression chamber and piston... It's just idling at 12ft/lbs..


    Try an HW98....:)
     
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    Ive not seen a custom stock fitted to a Diana 280 as yet, or a Hw99.
     
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    interesting,

    where does the diana 280 sit in comparison to hw's?
     
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    Tom did you get that pm I sent regarding my favourite springer of all time, the venom "Cobra" it was built on the webley tomahawk action [​IMG]

    Regarding wood, I would go Walnut all the way its not been used for hundreds of years because of its properties, strong light and pretty is all what you want from a break barrel.

    What you don't want is brittle, or really heavy, or just plain dull.

    You can sometimes get real good Turkish walnut blanks for not a lot of money, and it can look as good as Euro walnut, and I believe the minelli stocks on top Daystates are Turk, I had a Caesar Guerini shotgun with Turk walnut and it was a fantastic and strong, check it out [​IMG]

    That's what a lot of the best springers ended up made from over in the states, looks like a lot of the later venoms, like the cobra were made from similar wood, also when you see the guns with a real tiger stripe that's usually Turk type walnut.

    I was told the best of these types of wood were sourced from places like Iraq and desert type areas and it soon runs out, it looks knarly as it survives on very little moisture and they are usually on high ground, the older the tree the more veiny and knarly the grain.
     
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    Olive wood is not recommended for stock making. Although is has great figure and colour variations, it is very unpredictable and unstable, especially for a blank the size required for a rifle stock.
    Even if it has dried naturally for decades, by the time you cut it to shape, it might split, crack or distort.

    Ebony is extremely dense and heavy - some varieties are known to sink in the water - and a rifle stock sized blank should be owfully expensive.
     
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    The other obvious pretty wood is Maple but again expensive, not easy to work with, can be heavy and also crack easy so Im told, so Walnut is always my first choice and European walnut is what the top London shotgun makers still use for straight hand side by side game guns so that's confidence in its strength for you, Ive seen examples near on 100 years old still looking like new guns.

    Even Nitro expresses and 4 bores, so they would obviously choose the strongest wood available for something with the recoil they have.
     
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    Not easy to answer that one, it's as good as a Hw95 imo.

    I would say make one for a Hw77/97 but then I'm biased.

    The most popular break barrels are the 95, 99 & 80,

    but for something different, a Webley Vulcan custom stock would be nice.
     
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    aye, this was a concern i had with olive due to cracking. olive id guess at £100 and ebony is about £150 for a blank for a springer by my math. i have olivewood blanks and they are really nice and also have seen alot of olivewood "products", i reckon maybe some kind of resin hardener might be needed.
     
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    Ebony is a very heavy wood.
     
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    Find a Tomahawk Tom and a blank of Turk walnut, and send it Steve pope, and say make me a Cobra mate,:cool: you would loose money on it mate, I don't know of anyone who could claim he owned the last ever Cobra made.

    That's what I will do eventually, I think as like I said, I cant find one after years of searching for one, so that's the only other way, but then I don't do things in halfs, may as well aim high.:D
     
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    hi elliot,

    sorry i read the message and forgot to get back to you. will re-read it later and follow it up.....

    i like walnut, but have 3 in walnut and fancied something different, and i really like olive and rosewood santos also zebrano was another option to look into.


    cheers
     
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    aye, i have made a fx2000 bolt handle from it, nice and weighty bolt handle
     
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    Here this may sway you onto my wavelength, probably the best looking bit of Turk walnut Ive seen on an airgun for a while.[​IMG]
     
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    In the place I live, we produce fine olive wood. I have come across several nice logs and I have seen stocks in olive wood too. Probably a two piece stock is more feasible. A full letght stock is a risky affair.

    Regarding ebony, I am surprised by the price you quote. I think it is much much more expensive than 150 pounds for a blank. At least, despite my searches, I have never managed to find it this cheap.

    Alternatively, you could use some nice laminated wood, which can produce stunning results.
     
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    i've already asked :D and don't think he's up for it.

    i was speaking to someone this afternoon who services a v-mach 1 with original v-mach barrel!
     
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    @ engraver - You are going to give me some nightmares tonight :(:(
     
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    Maple or Yew would look the dogs.
     
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    sound advise, im going on "exotichardwoods" prices. stocks are usually about 40mm-50mm wide i think. i have had laminate before and it does produce nice patterns, but its too uniformed and "repeatable", i like natural grainy wood with individuality :rolleyes:

    so we have-

    hw95
    hw98
    hw99
    hw80

    d280

    wlongbow
    wtomohawk
     
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