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Question "pellgunoil On Co2 Tip Lubes The Whole Gun." It Doesn't, Does It?

Discussion in 'Air Pistols' started by mike1066, Nov 15, 2018.

  1. wobbly bob

    wobbly bob Engaging Member

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    What on earth does any of that have to do with it? All materials become more brittle at lower temperatures due to the decreasing ability of their molecules to slide over each other when under tension. Rather than slide they separate and the material breaks.

    The performance of oil under temperature variations is not at question, even though you are wrong. Of course oils freeze. Somewhere around 250-200K.

    What we are discussing is whether a smear of Pellgun oil would prevent your CO2 seals from cracking when they got cold. Which is clearly rubbish.
     
  2. Wild Bill

    Wild Bill Western Firearms collector

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    Thanks for that.:up:
     
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    ok buy a co2 gun and see how ling the seals last without pellgunoil on the tip of co2 capsule
     
  4. Wild Bill

    Wild Bill Western Firearms collector

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    Now then. It seems obvious that you have not read the thread.

    How about my post no.13 of this thread? Oh go on then I'll quote it for you. :rolleyes:;)

    "When I strip my pistols I lube the mating surfaces with Brunox. I lightly lube the trigger with OX-24 (military gun oil) and wipe the surfaces down with Brunox or GT85. I use pellgun oil in about 1.5 carts. I only use Crosman carts too. They deffinetly have some sort of lube in them as they smell quite a bit different to others after firing.
    That's why I really prefer co2 pistols that can be field stripped too."
    :facepalm:
     
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  5. Wild Bill

    Wild Bill Western Firearms collector

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    I also use this stuff on my firearms.


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    mike1066 Well-Known Member

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    Aw shucks, I no longer have a TDP-45 to oil, or not oil.

    It was fine for three Co2 cylinders, but the fourth co2 cylinder would not seal and was wasted, and the fifth too.

    So my TDP-45 has gone to hospital and, unlike human patients, they will either repair it or give me a new replacement.

    I wish the National Health Service [UK institution] would do that . . .:)

    Mike
     
  7. mike1066

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    Are you THE Real Wild Bill? I have read and noted your comments. But my Umarex TDP-45 is not designed to be user-stripped, and Umarex's own instructions on how to lube it are pretty sparse, and different in the European and American manual versions.

    On the other hand, it shoots very accurately, for a BB gun, gets around 400 fps and gives me over 120 shots per C02 cartridge, so I am not complaining. Clever trick, getting a 4.25" barrel into a pistol so small and light.

    I only use Umarex Co2 and Umarex ball bearings. Based on everything I have read here, I put a little Pellgunoil on an occasional Co2 cartridge tip, and a touch of household 3-in-1 oil on the trigger pivot very occasionally.

    But my TDP-45 has gone into hospital now . . . [see my last reply, above]

    Thanks for your comments, much appreciated.

    Mike
     
  8. Wild Bill

    Wild Bill Western Firearms collector

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    Of course I am.
     
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    chaps a couple of questions please
    I,ve just got a cp99 pistol and wondering apart from pellgun oil on the co2 tip .. what is the best lube to put on the slides ie . its a non blowback , I mean where you cock it , and mag slide .

    Thanks
     
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    Also as above is the cp99 strippable , sorry this is my first venture into these pistols

    thanks again
     
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    Hi, I had a phone conversation with Umarex USA Service Department about this and I was told to use a "fully synthetic rifle oil", with the emphasis on "fully synthetic". I have not checked further into brands etc.

    Also, several respondents have told me not to put Pellgunoil on every Co2 cartridge, and the advice varies from "on every 2nd Co2 cartridge" to "on every 5th Co2 cartridge".

    Mike
     
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    Well, what on earth is fully synthetic rifle oil? Why did they not recommend one?

    When I first started shooting CO2 pistols I followed the ubiquitous advice of a drop on every other etc, the RFD even suggested silicone oil, aarrgghh.

    After stripping my first pistol when it malfunctioned, I found Pellgun everywhere that had washed away more efficient lubricants in my opinion. I have asked the question on many forums, including Crosman specific, but never had any sensible evidence based replies as to what possible purpose it serves.

    I stopped using it years ago. Nothing bad happened.

    Judging by the smell, there is enough oil residue in most CO2 capsules anyway.
     
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    Thanks for your comments, I have no answers, I guess I could just google for fully synthetic rifle oil.

    I just want something where I can turn the TDP-45 upside down and, very rarely, put one small drop of a suitable oil on both sides of the trigger, hoping that it will make its way to somewhere useful.

    The "fully synthetic rifle oil" advice presumably means "not an oil from petrochemical/mineral origins"? But I am told that Crosman Pellgunoil is a 20W mineral oil with additives, so I find it all quite confusing.

    Mike
     
  14. Douglas Soal

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    I can highly recommend a product called superlube, Mike at Elite airsoft stocks it.
     
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  15. wobbly bob

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    Recommend it for what exactly? And on what basis? How is it different to any other oil?

    I agree, it’s a bit of a minefield, Mike. Fully synthetic, semi-synthetic, mineral, with additives? I know guys who use olive oil on their bicycles. The roadies only use extra virgin, the MTB guys will use anything.

    If someone said to me that in order to “preserve the seals” I need to put oil at 3000 quid a galllon into my motor I think he would get the Foxtrot Oscar.

    But there’s enough people here to do a definitive test. 1000 stop using Pellgun, 1000 carry on. We check results after 1, 2, 5 years or so.

    My early result from 2 years of non-use. All good.

    But if you just want to lube the trigger I would suggest you can't go far wrong with a little drop of old fashioned 3-in-1.
     
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    Thanks!
    Mike
     
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    Thanks, makes sense. Yes, I did use a drop of 3-in-1, but then my pistol went back under warranty re non-sealing and I haven't got it or a replacement back yet.

    Mike
     
  18. Douglas Soal

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    I have used it for years, safe on seals, also fine with metal to metal, worth trying a tube.
     
  19. mike1066

    mike1066 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, I'll look for it.
    Mike
     
  20. wobbly bob

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    Looks like you have already discovered that in spite of the high prices Umarex stuff is crap quality made as cheaply as possible. Don't fret too much about what you lube it with, it will fall apart anyway.

    Umarex pistols are not designed to be shot. They're mostly made for fantasists to display on the wall.
     

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