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Pellets to avoid? (.22)

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Jeltz, May 16, 2015.

  1. Jeltz

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    OK I understand that the choice of "best" pellet varies according to purpose and gun but are there any brands which are not worth touching?

    I'm heading towards the bottom a tub of "Pointer by Lanes" which seem just about OK but I shall try something different next time. I'll pop into the gun shop on Tuesday to pick up a new tub, just wondered if there are some which are crap and not worth a look.
     
  2. JSB888

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    This is almost the same question, some people may have the opinion that a pellet is crap, others may love them.

    I tend to avoid anything gimmicky though.
     
  3. Stevie Darling

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    Anything smk for a start,

    and with names like zombie hunters, ye know sh*te like that:)
     
  4. reaper6

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    ....I just stick to lead pellets anything else is a gimmick......try superdomes or hobbys they always work for me.....cheap and cheerfull
     
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    There are no hard and fast rules as to what will work in a particular gun and what won't. I have heard of cheap pellets which others avoid working fine in some guns, it all just depends on what happens to fit your particular barrel. As for anything regarded as gimmicks by some, again they may work for your barrel or they may not. The trouble with gimmick pellets is that they are badly designed and not really any improvement on conventional pellets due to the lack of knowledge of many of their designers. Conventional lead pellets are not really any better for that matter which is why you have to find a particular make of pellet or a particular batch from one die etc etc.
    All you can do is experiment and see what fits your barrel, if you are lucky it may be a cheap make.
     
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    The only one that comes to mind is the SMK Spitfire...

    ...but then they aren't really pellets are they! Just lumps of deformed lead really.

    Adrian
     
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    Marksman pellets we have been using them at work by the thousands ten meter range lucky to hit back of range they group so well.
     
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    I second that! Absolute bilge, cast by a 4 year old by the look of them.
    JSB exact jumbo .22 for my Remington. And the same for my QB78. .177
     
  9. Accuspell

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    Accupell or the same pellet in a red and blue tin, Crossman Premier Ultra magnum - superb pellets in many rifles.
     
  10. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    SMK, Marksman or Bulldog, all tend to be between two extremes, bad and downright ruddy awful.
    Stick to the medium priced bit of the market and avoid anything with a pointed head! Use flat head only if short range ratting or paper punching at 10 metres. Stick to domed head.

    Also avoid flashy things, some people are till trying to sell crates of Sussex Sabots (a real gimmick that had no aid to accuracy and left an unguidable miniature steel sliver tumbling through the air) as well as clogging up your barrel with plastic. Anything with "Red polymer tips" is aimed at the Yanks who want to shoot with ammo that looks like it was half hinchced from the Top Gun set.

    Domed pellets are the best, whether Diablo, Boat Tail or Bullet shaped.
     
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    What gun are you putting them through and what are you using them for are my first two questions ?
     
  12. Ballisticboy

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    There are no boat tail or bullet shaped pellets except for a few home made ones which fall into the category of the slugs and are again badly designed. Domed are the best in many ways for UK air guns where the speeds are all well subsonic, though if you had lightweight pellets with higher speeds in .177 you may want to try something slightly different.
     
  13. secretagentmole

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    Want to bet? Piledriver! They are a boat shape. There are a few bullet shapes in the H&N magnum range.
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    H&N on the left Pax on the right.
     
  14. Ouch!

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    I'd buy a cheap sample pack of different pellets for your rifle (On evilbay) and then you can decide which pellets best suit your barrel. You shoot a litte comparison test and Bob's your Auntie's husband!

    Ouch!
     
  15. Ballisticboy

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    The H&N is a slug shape not a bullet shape, anyone who fired bullets like that from a rifle would be very disappointed as the US army were with their .45 slugs which were the same shape mass distribution etc. As for the piledriver everything is wrong with it, the back end being the wrong angle, the wrong shape and just about everything else you can think of that is wrong in a tail shape. It is also not normal to put spin damping vanes down the side of a spin stabilised projectile. Both are also grossly overweight.
    Apart from that yes I agree, I had forgotten about these two designs.:eek:
     
  16. secretagentmole

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    Then there are the torpedo style Ogive, Defiant etc, which are very good! I speak from experience. By the way the weight design on the Rabbit Magnum is at the head, the back is hollow so perhaps a little more examination of that you condemn? AA Fields are also heavier than the Rabbit Magnum so it looks like you really know what you are talking about doesn't it?
     
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    Ogives, defiants etc are not bullet shaped and rely on the tail aerodynamic effects the same as any other diabolo pellet. I am surprised you do not realise this.
    I am fully aware that the weight of the magnum is in the head which for accuracy in a spin stabilised projectile is exactly where it should not be. To maximise accuracy you require the maximum value of Cma consistent with adequate gyroscopic and dynamic stability. To obtain the maximum value of Cma you do not put the centre of gravity close to the front of the bullet. Forward centres of gravity are also problematical from the point of view of increased magnus moments leading to additional dynamic stability problems. This is the mistake the .45 slug manufacturers made and was the cause of all the complaints and subsequent expensive development carried out later on a replacement. They to had concentrated the weight into the front of the projectile in the mistaken belief that it would make the projectile more accurate through increasing stability. It doesn't, it has the exact opposite effect and showed a severe lack of ballistic knowledge by the original designers. (I know I still have the relevant US report)
    As for the weight of the "bullets" you illustrate the weight of the 4.5mm Magnum round is given on the H&N site as 15.74gr and 24.69gr for the 5.5mm. I do not remember the equivalent AA Fields being heavier than this though I admit my memory is not all it used to be.
     
  18. secretagentmole

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    Sorry my bad I thought that the lighter weight was for the .22! They are bricks.
     
  19. Ballisticboy

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    Bricks is probably the perfect description for them.;)
     
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    All of them....
     

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