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Pellet tray vs magazine and accuracy

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by TheDarkPassenger, Feb 19, 2012.

  1. TheDarkPassenger

    TheDarkPassenger Engaging Member

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    I note a lot of people talk of using a single shot tray rather than a magazine for accuracy.

    I'm interested to know why this would make a difference, as to my mind no matter how a pellet gets in the barrel, once it's there it wshould surely go in the same direction as all the others.

    The only thing that I can think of is maybe some magazines could be rough on the pellet which may deform it a little.
     
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    I think that would be about it. Some mags are a little tight and can deform the pellet skirt.
    I changed from Multi to single due to the fact that I was getting lazy with my shot timing and breathing because I knew I had a shot ready within another second. Sort of rattled through pellets and then realised my grouping was awful.
    You never know, there may be psychological benefits to single shot :)
     
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    There can be misalignment causing pellet clipping.
     
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    As above reasons,also look at mags o,rings under mag-glass and youll notice little wear marks,that little bit of rubber each time can displace your shot a littlebut a little counts on accurracy over 30 yrds or so,minor i know but theres alot of people reverting back to single shot trays, just my opinion...Ratz
     
  5. The Robin

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    As above people have covered the normal reason, i have had no trouble with any of my rifles regarding the magazine. But in one of the airgun mags (can't think which one) Mathew Manning uses a Daystate mk4 FAC and did a write up about how shooting with the mag it would not group right but with the single shot adaptor it was spot. I think off the top of my head said it was some to do with it running at FAC levels?
     
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    I like to feel the fit of the pellet in the barrel - if it doesn't feel right - "call the shot" - fire that pellet into the ground.
     
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    I dissagree, i shoot both mag on my hw100 and various single shots in the club, accuracy is the same, after all, all the mag does is rotate the pellet.. i think its a lot of balls..
    rob
     
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    with the hw100 the mag system its just that good ,if you take the daystate mag they dont seem to like the shorter pellet as much (well mine dosn't) if i use falcon accuracy it will shoot a 1 hole group at 30 yrd with single shot tray, but with the mag it opens up sightly
     
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    well yes, same with the hw100 mag, but short pellets are ussually cheapo nasty ones.. as i noticed the spitfires can be tricky to get into the mag, but thats got nothing to do with accuracy. the mag simply rotates the pellets then the pin uniformly pushes the pellet into the barrol, making a much better job than i could, i really dont think the single shot argument holds any water..
    as to your grouping comment, you are probably just shooting faster with the mag.
     
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    i think shooting with the mag system is a lot faster, but when using a mag it only got to a nats knacker out of line and it can make a differance ,the more its out the more it can affect the accuracy,
     
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    i honestly dont see how,
    if you look at what the mag mechanism is doing, its just loading it for you, its prety much impossible for it to load it in squint by is very nature..where as human error makes it quite likley to load it slightly squeiff..
    i am sorry mate, but i will never agree that using single shot is more accurate than using a mag.. it just dosent make any sense.:rolleyes:
    rob
     
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    you dont after agree with me on that ,i dont think either of us will lose any sleep over it ,
    but it can:D
     
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    naw naw :D
     
  14. Oryctolagus

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    As said before the magazines can deform the skirt. With a magazine the pellet is being forced through one hole into the breech. The damage occurs before it enters the breech not after. With trays or hand loaded they are placed inside. Every now and again I can feel my pellet "catch" when replacing the bolt.
     
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    how can the mag damage the skirt ? its a soft rubber ring.. not possible..
     
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    The only reason i didn't go to multi is because i didn't have scope mounts tall enough for the multi to fit in the pellet loading area. In all honesty i was GLAD!

    In my opinion you should be accurate enough and capable enough of killing your quarry with one shot and one shot only (purely in a hunting sense i'm talking). Obviously in the real world it doesn't always go like that but loading of another pellet takes seconds anyway so multi to me is a gimmick. Even with a direct kill, i load up again even before taking a step towards my kill just out of habit.
     
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    Very possible.

    Just a pellet knocking into another in your pouch or tub or whatever can deform the skirt easily. You only have to squeeze the skirt between your finger and thumb and it squashes.

    I would say the rubber in a mag is quite firm to ensure the pellet loads correctly.
     
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  18. Oryctolagus

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    For hunting mag is more than fine the difference is very slight, only noticeable if your competing.
    Find out for yourself, get a large volume of water, shoot 20 pellets hand loaded and 20 with the mag. Then inspect the pellets. If no damage seen............. shoot 100 of each.
     
  19. keeprightontilltheendoftheroad

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    As stated it doesn't effect accuracy as its just a device putting pellet in same as hand loading single one! The single shot mag/tray were developed for field target as with a multishot you have to remove mag walking from one lane to another. I see guys using S510 quite regularly which is a dedicated multi shot gun. The HW100 system is still the best and the best magazines. But as stated one shot is all that is required but night time shooting multi shots are so handy! Also in cold weather freezing fingers getting 177s out of your pouch!
     
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    It's possible damage could occur but using smaller head size or different length etc can stop that happening. But I agree it wouldn't make much difference if it did then how can I put pellet on pellet 14times no flyers with a HW100 or S510.
     

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