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Pellet Quandry?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by PHOENIXFLIER, May 15, 2019.

  1. PHOENIXFLIER

    PHOENIXFLIER Engaging Member

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    I was trying out my latest "batch" of different pellets yesterday, and two stood out from the rest.
    By a process of elimination (I started with 15 different types), Accupell FT and H&N Field Target Trophy. Both very consistent, no flyers and good groups of five. They both look more or less the same, and on the face of it both weigh the same. There is about a fiver difference in the price of a tin of 500. Question is, are they the same pellet?.
     
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    mikeyhall1 Pepe Le Pew

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    I believe they are the same mate
     
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    They may also be the same as Air Arms, Daystate and JSB Exact. Did you test those too?
     
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    I believe they are the same, but with a different nominal head size (4.50 vs 4.52, I think).
     
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    I see this cropping up all the time, and TBH I don't know the exact answer, however I do know most pellets are made with different dis and lead compositions as specked by the brand they will be sold under, so it's very unlikely they are the same pellet exactly - if you want more proof just look at the batch numbers on pellets like AA or JSB Exacts - you can get half a dozen tins of either with different batch numbers and they will all be slightly different in performance - and these ARE supposed to be the same pellets - but they clearly are not:rolleyes:

    James
     
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    They're not the same, those are 8.4 JSB pellet variations, the Accupell and FTT are 8.6 H&N pellets.
    My HFT loves H&N FTT, the Accupell not as much, hates the various JSB 8.4 ones.
     
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    That was interesting. I have been doing some pellets testing, I seem to the 3 or 4 pellets right on top of each other and the other seem not to close, I did think is this common or me.atb bob.
     
  8. PHOENIXFLIER

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    Thanks for the replies, which confirms what I thought. There is a difference of £4.00 a tin (500), with the Accupell being the more expensive. Looks like I'll be sending off for the FTT. I know I'm a bit of a saddo, but I do find pellet testing great fun for some obscure reason. Its not as easy as it first appears. I draw the relevant amount of dots (one per type of pellet), on a piece of lining paper, with the pellet type / weight / and scope mag underneath. Then fire 5 shots at each dot. By a process of elimination, end up with the most suitable pellet. If I can't make my mind up (as in this case), I try a higher scope mag. I find generally the groups are all over the place to start with, gradually tighten up (ragged one hole in the case of the Accupell / FTT), and then get worse as I get tired. Hatsan 55s @ 38ft + NS 3-9ao scope. Artillery hold, resting the stock on hand / couple of old pillows, sheet of MDF on the Workmate. I was thinking of getting a bipod for these sessions, does anybody use one, and if so, are they worth it?. Simon.
     
  9. Brother Caleb

    Brother Caleb Donator

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    The real question is why do you care? IMO if you have two pellets that perform equally well and one of them is a fiver cheaper then that is the one to buy :thumb:.

    There was a recent thread regarding AA’s and JSB’s and the upshot is that even if they are the same why would you line the pockets of a greedy so and so when you can simply buy the less expensive version and shoot more.
     
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    I know it's each to their own, but I'd say your doing this all wrong:oops:

    Your testing your ability and stance as much as the pellet, and that is not what your trying to do. To get meaning full results you need to:

    1. Be in a wind free environment - even a little will corrupt your results
    2. For a PCP you could really be doing with 25/30m to see the differences, most pellet brands/types will go through he same hole at 38ft, it's too close to separate the good from the great.
    3. Be rested and seated so it takes 95% of your ability out of the equation - minimum wobble is essential.
    4. The same stance/hold/aim point for every shot, don't change this during testing or you have moved the goal posts.
    5. Use more shots, 5 is too little, it will take this just for the barrel to get used to the pellet, I do three groups of 5, the first is just to zero for each pellet, then two "proper" groups to try to see the difference.
    6. Roughly the same fill level in your gun - no point testing one pellet at 210bar and another at 90bar, but the way I do it in groups of 15 shots with a 5 shot zero on each one helps make this comparative for each group as long as your gun has a descent shot count.
    7. Once you have narrowed it down to just 2 or 3 pellets - weight them so they are consistent and try again with higher quantities and taking more time to really see the difference - remember, your trying to find the best pellet for your gun, how clinical you get is up to you.

    Here is an example of what I do - it does not make it the "best way", but it will definitely give you more accurate results than what your doing. The first picture is narrowing the field, the second one is with weighted pellets:

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  11. PHOENIXFLIER

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    Okay, lets break this down a bit:

    1. It was a calm if not still day.
    2. The maximum range I have available is 38ft, so its that or nothing.
    3. Seated, rested and stable.
    4 Same eye relief, breathing pattern, hold etc. for every shot.
    5. Each to their own on this one.
    6. Try as I might, I could not find a fill point on my Hatsan 55s.
    7. Sorry, but weighing pellets is weigh to anal for me.

    Like you say...…….each to their own.
     
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    Not seen any mention of cleaning the barrel between pellet types?

    From what I've gleaned over the years it's start with a freshly cleaned barrel, put at least 12 - 15 pellets of a particular type through it to begin the 'leading in' process then begin to find out how they group.

    Clean barrel again before trying out a new pellet and repeat.

    Just sayin' ;)
     
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    Just keep doing what you enjoy mate.
    As far as a bipod on a springer goes, it’s a definite no-no as the rifle needs to recoil in it’s own way. Bringing fixed points into the equation will send your groups all over the place. Fine on a pcp though as there’s almost no recoil.
     
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    Thanks for that......saved me few quid!
     
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    jesim1.....do you have a link to the second target in your pics above?
     
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    Shooting TX200 177, I started with RWS supermag field line, to set up a scope. Finished secession with a chrono reading and registered 670 ft/sec. Pellet 9.3 grain equated to 9.3 fpe. Assumed gun needed strip down as previously been doing 11+. Next day, chrono using JSB Express 7.87 gr and registered 811 ft/sec .11.5 fpe.
    Couldn't believe pellet would make such a difference in power. Before posting I have repeated the exercise with back to back tests and confirmed the initial findings. Taught me not to make assumptions.
     
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    Thank you kind sir :)
     

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