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PCP/CO2 Advice.

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Ichy, Dec 29, 2013.

  1. Ichy

    Ichy Well-Known Member

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    I appreciate that there are possibly a fair few posts on the forum that will give me answers but I thought it worth asking the question anyway.

    There is a chance that I will be asked to help with a rat problem at some local stables. At the moment I own an old Edgar Brothers Mod105 springer. I like the gun but it is heavy and noisy and not really suited to the task. I don't know much about air rifles but have had a good look around to see what I can find within my budget (virtually nothing) that might be ok. At the bottom end, CO2, I've come up with a QB78 or XS78, I can't work out the difference? I did notice that the XS can be bought with a 88g bottle, is this better? Absolute top of the budget was a Benjamin Discovery for around £200 with moderator. My only problem with this is that I would have to get a bottle or pump to refill it seriously bumping up the price.

    Would the QB78 be a good place to start or am I missing out on a real bargain that is better suited? I have a scope to fit it but is there anything else I would need to make it usable?
     
  2. andyz1000

    andyz1000 Banned

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    i would rule the discovery out for a start if you have no means to fill it ,they only fill to 2000 psi(160 bar)and do not give many shots per charge
    You could get a s/h early bsa ultra for your £200 budget,much better than the disco but again would need a way of filling
    I would steer clear of co2 as not great in cold weather and power fluctuates when cold so may not be up to the task in this weather
    what about a hatsan mod 55 or 60 springer
    get good reviews from what i have heard but not tried one myself
    Or even a s/h hw99s could be picked up for your budget
     
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  3. stevemandm

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    agree with what andy says. we have a hatsan mod 55s, and it really punches above its weight for a cheap rifle - v light, smooth and accurate, but quite loud (55s is .177, 60s is .22, otherwise identical). http://www.gunmart.net/gun_review/hatsan_60S
    you could pick up a used weihrauch for your budget, and buying used will stretch your £ further.
    also, i would suggest a hatsan mod 85xth. can be bougt for £150 brand new. only available in .22, which is what you want in a dedicated ratter/vermin controller. its got a fitted moderator too. we have one and for the price, is v good - look here http://www.gunmart.net/gun_review/hatsan_85xth/
    its quiet, accurate, and with it having a synthetic stock, appears designed to be a 'field rifle'.
     
  4. Dunkman

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    Just use the 105. it will be up the job. Hit a rat in the head with it and the rat will die.

    And above is another reason you should use the 105.
     
  5. Ichy

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    Cheers Guys, useful advice. Dunkman the problem I have with the 105 is that it has a synthetic stock which resonates and it's underlever so I can't fit a mod, believe me it is loud. It's fine for rabbits but I feel that the second I shoot a rat the rest will scarper, i'd be better off with my shotgun ;-). I have considered filling it with foam to quieten it down a bit. I'll see.

    Can't find a 85xth for anywhere near £150. I'll have a mooch on *******/gunwatch and see what's available SH.
     
  6. gunsnlandies

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    The 78 is well capable of ratting in the cold. My TH78D was used last year in the snow for ratting round my hen houses with good effect. They just need a bit of work to bring the power up for cold weather. This costs a bit of your time and a new seal set and nothing more. Mine is also fitted a with a moderator. The only thing you hear is a click from the hammer. If you are interested, go over to UKCAF and join up, you will see what they can do.
    XS78 has 14mm thick barrel, plastic barrel band, iron sights and basic stock.
    XS79 as above but with 88g bottle.
    QB78 has 15mm thick barrel, metal barrel band, fibre optic sights, better stock and gold anodised bolt and trigger.
    TH78D as above with thumbhole stock and adjustable butt pad.

    Brian
     
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    That's a good price! Bit too far to travel but I have found one for £159. I'm wondering now if it's worth spending a bit more and going for a PCP setup to replace the 105.
     
  9. stevemandm

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    depends what you ultimately want from it mate - personally, i'd go for the pcp - many will agree, many will disagree !
    if its a pcp, a bsa ultra is probably the ultimate vermin tool - have a look at andyz100's in sale section
     
  10. cloverleaf

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    A few things in no particular order..

    Firstly the QB and XS monikers (to the best of my knowledge) pertain to the same gun. The XS78 takes 2x12g CO2 bulbs, while the XS79 takes one 88g bulb.

    These guns represent reasonable value in themselves and offer some of the advantages of PCPs (recoiless action with a reasonably quick shot development time) however they're usually only around 8-9ftlb so require tweaking or restricting to close range if wanting to use them for hunting.

    In addition, while cheap to buy they potentially cost a fair bit to run on account of their gas usage - any .22 will cost you around 1p/shot in pellets, however CO2 will cost you around the same again or more (say 250 shots from an 88g cylinder @ £7ea, or around 3p/shot; effectively quadroupling your running costs).

    I'm not a big fan the 88g types as you can easily waste a whole cylinder or more if you develop a leak. That said, they do lend themselves well to conversion to air; however this will still require you to have a filling method.

    I'd seriously consider a PCP if you can stretch to it - it's more reliable, consistant, temperature stable, cheaper to run and less hassle than CO2. The Disco isn't a terrible rifle, but it's basic, has a low shot count and is fairly crudely put together (also woefully unpopular, so potentially can be had very cheap if you can find one).

    Not that it could necessarily be achieved for sub £200, but I'd be looking out for used examples of early single shot BSA Ultras, Falcon FN12s / FN19s.. decent, basic budget guns IMO. You'll probably pick up a used, lesser-brand pump (Webley, BSA etc) for about £50-60 if you look hard enough :)
     
  11. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    No it blasted is not if it is the horribly MMC mark 1, the SE rear bolt Ultra I would not dismiss, but having owned one of the horrible little guns, I would advise anyone to avoid the MMC system!

    You can pick up S200s for a similar price and they are much much better!
     

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