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Over 12 Foot Pounds?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by cdlftw, Aug 15, 2019 at 8:40 PM.

  1. cdlftw

    cdlftw Member

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    Hi all,

    Just bought one of those cheap and cheerful £18 chronos and pushed a few pellets through my HW95. I'm seeing 245-249 on the reading, which when I convert to f/s I get between 804 and 817 fps. I've only tested with JSB Exact's 4.53s, which are 8.44 grain.

    Using this site here: https://www.pyramydair.com/article/What_is_Muzzle_Energy_August_2003/5

    It appears that I get 12.12 foot pounds to 12.51 foot pounds.

    I'm very new to the hobby (weeks), but I'm pretty sure this is not legal - problem is, I have no idea what to do about it!

    Any and all advice welcomed!

    Thanks.
     
  2. Buckshot

    Buckshot Busy Member

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    There's a lot of people on here that have bought those chronos so they'll be along shortly mate. Enjoy your new hobby. :thumb:
     
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    IMO, the only thing you can do is check it against another chrono - one that’s known to be right.
    That might be at your local shop, or a local helpful member.

    I’m sure I read somewhere that if a gun shop chrono your gun and it’s over, they are obliged by law to hang onto it, so a local helpful guy might be favourite.
     
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  4. pjgtech

    pjgtech You're only Supposed to Blow the Bloody Doors Off!

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    1st, I'd double check your figures to be sure.
    Is it a new rifle? if so get it back to the dealer, he should not have sold it if its over 12, so he should either sort it out or swap it for another rifle thats not over.
    If its second hand, you can either fettle it yourself, (if you think you can), eg: remove power washers, lose a spring coil, etc, theres loads of info on the web how to do this, or maybe ask one of the guys on here to overhaul and service it for you?
    Hope you get it sorted buddy.... :thumb:
     
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    binxkeys Engaging Member

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    My guess is you'll be needing to snip a couple of coils off the spring. How old is the rifle? Have you had it from new or are you aware of its history?
     
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    shauny Major Poster

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    crush/remove a coil asap.:thumb:
     
  7. cdlftw

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    Sorry, didn't put that in. Bought in the last month from a local retailer.
     
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    binxkeys Engaging Member

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    That's great news. All you need to do is run it back to them :thumb:
     
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    In that case take it back in for them to sort it.
     
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    Try to find another member close to you with a reliable chrono to compare it to, if its still over don't panic, it's half a fp not 5 or 6, it'll be easy to drop it down by removing a power washer or crushing a coil or two.
    If it's a new gun try to get it to 10.8 - 11fpe as it might slowly creep up anyway after a couple of tins of pellets.
     
  11. sagalout

    sagalout All the kit still ....

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    What gun is it?

    I'd try it against another chrono if you know other shooters or are a member of a club, because you're not reading far enough over that a dodgy chrono could be to blame.

    As it's a new gun, take it to where you bought it. They'll have a chrono.
     
  13. cdlftw

    cdlftw Member

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    It’s a HW95.
     
  14. QuoVadis69

    QuoVadis69 Donator

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    An RFD has no legal right to seize your rifle. As it's a recent purchase I'd take it straight back as others have said and get it double checked.
     
  15. Brandon James

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    The article doesn't say what would then happen if the RFD then hands you the gun back when over the limit.

    No one could in my view criticise an RFD for not handing it back as once they have your committing an offence of possession of a sec1 firearm.

    Just because they don't have police seizure powers they do have the right not to commit an offence themselves.

    It's over the limit and not worth arguing over. A call from the RFD to the police will end one way if they test it for you so is it worth trying to sue them? The police won't say oh its a civil matter and nothing to do with us so you'd best give it back or sort it out by civil remedy .

    They'll seize, test it and look to take action if its over the limit.

    If you've bought it from another RFD then the one you bought it from should arrange with the one holding your gun for it to be collected from them as its their issue to sort out being the seller so I'd make them aware and ask them to sort it out.
     
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    As the gun is clearly "unfit for purpose" then you should be able to get a full refund from the RFD. If you paid with a credit card they would back you up if needed.

    This is assuming your chrono figures are correct of course!
     
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    If you do have to take it back to your RFD and they then test it and hand it back as being fine then make sure that you get their test results in writing, on headed paper, before you leave.
     
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  18. sagalout

    sagalout All the kit still ....

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    I just got my Lutonese chrono yesterday, so having a play today and whoops!

    Whoops.JPG
     
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    I think this is a more common problem than we know. I would have a guess that 90% of airgun owners in the country don't have a chrono, and a good selection of them wouldn't know about the 12fpe limit anyway!
     
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