1. The Forum Rules have undergone some minor changes and updates.  Please take the time to read them; it will only take a couple of minutes of your time. By doing so, you lessen the chance of incurring the wrath of the moderation team or making yourself look foolish to other members.

    90% of users posting adverts in the Sales forums need to be reminded to read the rules as their posts are wrong.  This is unnecessarily time-consuming and will no longer happen - if your advert doesn't follow the Sales Rules it will be deleted and you'll have to start all over again.

    To close this box once you've read it (and the Rules), click on the X in the top right-hand corner.

    Thank you.

    AGF Staff



    Dismiss Notice
  2. A reminder of one of the Forum Rules:

    'Behaviour

    Do not make inappropriate or offensive posts - including threats, harassment, swearing, prejudice, defamation, deliberate insults or name-calling, other negative remarks about this forum, its moderators and administrators or your fellow members. Even if this is just your own personal opinion, RESPECT YOUR FELLOW MEMBERS.'

    There have been changes made to our censoring software in an attempt to help with this growing problem.

    Click the X in the top-right-hand corner to dismiss this notice.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Dear members,

    Our membership (like our country) consists of people from all walks of life; different in far more ways than can be listed here and each with a different view based on their experience of life - regardless of their colour, religion or cultural heritage. Every single person in the UK has been born of mixed race – we are a multi-coloured and multi-cultural country.

    As many of you are aware there are a handful of individuals amongst this membership that persist in making provocative, inflammatory, racist and otherwise offensive comments. This has been happening across the forum to a certain degree but is most especially prevalent in the Adult section.

    The moderation team has tried to stay on top of this, however unfortunately because of the ‘offensive’ nature of much of its content we don’t monitor the Adult section quite as much as perhaps we should. As a result much of this behaviour has gone unnoticed unless it has been reported to us. While the team always intended to take a "light touch" approach to the Adult section it would seem that some people aren’t quite adult enough to be left unmonitored after all.

    This behaviour is, and always has been against Forum Rules as well as the specific stipulations of the Adults forum and it will no longer be tolerated. We feel it's time to draw a line in the sand and as such from this point onward offenders will receive an immediate and permanent ban from the forum.

    In order for us to achieve our goal of restoring the forum to the friendly and tolerant place it once was, we ask that ALL members be mindful of the content they post and help us to stop unacceptable behaviour by using the 'Report' tool at the bottom of any offending post - the results of which can be seen only by Admin/Moderators.

    You should all receive a copy of this message by PM. 

    To close this message box, click on the 'X' in the top-right-hand corner.

    Dismiss Notice
  4. Hotmail block emails from us entering your inbox. Unless you can setup a safe sender you will not get activation emails from the forum. Please use an alternative provider or complain to Hotmail.
    Hotmail addresses include.

    @Hotmail.co.uk @Hotmail.com @outlook.com @Live.com
    Dismiss Notice
  5. Postings on Politics, Religion & Controversial Off-Topic Material

    The majority of users do not want to read about these subjects and people have left the forum as a result of it – this is after all an 'Airgun' Forum. It’s all very well to say they don’t have to read it if they don't want to, but as most of us use the ‘New Posts’ button there is no easy way to avoid it.

    All AGF staff members are in favour of people being able to discuss what they want, but we have to draw the line somewhere if it is upsetting other users. We don’t want to read about these topics either.

    IMPORTANT- The discussion of politics and religion is no longer allowed anywhere on the forum (including the Adult section).  The only exception is if it's airgun related - they must be put in the Airgun Related Politics section..

    We will not tolerate bullying or personal attacks, racism or any other offensive 'isms'. we will remove these topics from the forum, we will not give you an area where you can abuse each other. We will not hesitate to ban offenders.

    To clear this text box, click on the 'X' in the top right-hand corner.

    Dismiss Notice

Out of the box HW99s

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by davidif, Feb 3, 2014.

  1. Dag

    Dag Very Active

    Messages:
    4,948
    Likes Received:
    1,498
    Location:
    Nr Leatherhead, Surrey
    Ok, thanks anyway. They are a really nice scope and I have one on the S400 I bought recently on the forum. Even at the higher price I think they are worth the £90 but heyho someone will sell another one soon.....I hope!
    Dag
     
  2. fatbob

    fatbob Engaging Member

    Messages:
    105
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Kilmarnock, Ayrshire
    x

    I've been using air rifles from the late 60's so I feel I can make a valid comment on what is p!sh and what isn't and this alleged great gun is one of the roughest pieces of engineering I've clapped eyes on and before you think "grey import" it is Hull Cartridge stamped. I would really like to have a shot with one that is as good as a lot of people say they are I can only go on my own experience, I might add customer relations with Hull Cartridge and Weihrauch themselvse were totally abysmal :down:

    Atb
    Bob
     
  3. bigtoe

    bigtoe Donator

    Messages:
    911
    Likes Received:
    55
    Location:
    Stockport
    The 99s is just a higher powered version of the old HW50 and 55, 26mm cylinder and slightly longer stroke, they use the same cocking arm and share the same click if you want them set up that way ( I altered mine to click like my old 55's)
    The bonus with the 99s is for a .22 the specs are almost bang on perfect, the right stroke, the right piston weight etc...they are just a little rough finished and really do start to shine with a spit an polish tune with the addition of a top hat.
    One thing I have found is its dead easy to over spring a 99, I fitted a softer spring spring to mine that the factory spring and it really does shoot better for it....however the factory springs are fine once you lose a coil or so after adding a tophat at the front end.

    In the end its each to there own though, i know a lad who will not shoot anything unless its a HW80. he likes em thumpy and fast, he shoots em accurate like that so who am I to tell him his 80's are crap?
     
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2015
  4. Gunnie

    Gunnie Engaging Member

    Messages:
    131
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    worsley
  5. Dag

    Dag Very Active

    Messages:
    4,948
    Likes Received:
    1,498
    Location:
    Nr Leatherhead, Surrey
    That's a nice thread Gunnie but it does seem as if you and your grandson's dad felt the 99 was the right gun for you two as it reads like you were getting strong recommendations for Hw30s and Hw25's but still went with the 99!
    Do the right thing by your grandson and dip into your collective wallets and buy him a rifle the lad can cock himself! Now, where have I come across this sort of thing before? Oh yes, it was me buying stuff for my boys but somehow getting the size I needed! ;)
    All the best and enjoy your new rifle,
    Dag
     
  6. nat

    nat Donator

    Messages:
    177
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    honiton
    Hi Bigtoe, what spring would you recommend for this? would a Titan #5 be ok?
    My 99/50s came over sprung from Holland now have a Chambers hw in it, a bit better but still not how i like it!!
    Has my own guide/tophat/ sleeve etc fitted but still a little twangy.

    I recon the 99s is is a good rifle, but there will be the odd bad one out there me thinks, a little diy fettle would probably sort those odd ones out.

    Atb,Woody.
     
  7. nav2009

    nav2009 Donator

    Messages:
    3,492
    Likes Received:
    426
    Location:
    Pontefract
    You have to remember that HW's in different calibre's can be different animals. My friend has a 95 in .22 that shot better out of the box than my tuned 95 .177. 80's shoot fantastic in .22 after being well tuned but .177 versions can be harsh on recoil. Tuning HW in .177 is more difficult than in .22.
     
  8. GardenPlinker

    GardenPlinker Engaging Member

    Messages:
    352
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Plymouth
    It's like you have to learn to shoot a particular calibre. No 2 rifles are the same even in same calibre. Why do I continually read that .177 is harsher on recoil? I don't get it. I've never shot .22 air and I've no inclination to either because I think .177 is peerless as an air rifle calibre. All the people that complain about recoil on a .177 I wonder how you would cope if you were to shoot a .270 or .308 cf calibre.
     
  9. Jackroadkill

    Jackroadkill Donator

    Messages:
    16,783
    Likes Received:
    81
    Location:
    Drenewydd, Powys, Cymru
    CF's a bit different because you feel the recoil after the round has left the barrel, so it doesn't have as much effect on accuracy as in an air rifle (springer) when the beginning of the recoil (or, more accurately, the series of recoil events) takes place when the pellet is still in the barrel, which can cause accuracy issues.
     
  10. GardenPlinker

    GardenPlinker Engaging Member

    Messages:
    352
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Plymouth
    Firing cf rifles will help give you the discipline and the principles of marksmanship which inevitably will better prepare you for the twang of a springer. Breath control and trigger control all come together with the sight picture to produce a quality shot.

    Sorry jack, but that experience will develop any airgunner to improve their point of impact. You should know that one hold of a rifle doesn't work for the next rifle you hold. Use as many firearms as possible. That saying is true. Certain guns instill a confidence in a shooter.
     
  11. nav2009

    nav2009 Donator

    Messages:
    3,492
    Likes Received:
    426
    Location:
    Pontefract
    Not neccessarily. Like has been mentioned, the bullet has left the CF before the marksman feels the recoil but on a spring air rifle the pellet is still on the way down the barrel when the recoil is felt. This means that the marksman has to hold the rifle in a completely different way with soft hands and semi-relaxed stance. We cannot shoot a spring gun from a tripod like you can a CF for this reason. If we rest on something then the rest has to be soft with the hand inbetween. Its a different ball game.
     
  12. Jackroadkill

    Jackroadkill Donator

    Messages:
    16,783
    Likes Received:
    81
    Location:
    Drenewydd, Powys, Cymru
    Very true; I wasn't disagreeing with you, just pointing out that the recoil of a CF and a sub-12 springer were very different.
     
  13. GardenPlinker

    GardenPlinker Engaging Member

    Messages:
    352
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Plymouth
    baby steps required then lol! On my part so we're clear. Im happy to discuss anything but Id like some people to be truthful. I feel that cf experience will enhance spring air rifle shooting. The fact that cf experience isn't available to everyone is a bit of a problem. Also the need to let contentious threads pan out.... I welcome adult discussion just done times people can't handle robust responses. A group get together would def enhance proceedings as without face to face sometimes meanings get misplaced.

    Someties there is no right and wrong.
     
  14. nav2009

    nav2009 Donator

    Messages:
    3,492
    Likes Received:
    426
    Location:
    Pontefract
    I've shot rimfire, centre fire, shotguns, PCP and spring airguns and out of all of them the most challenging is spring air rifle. In reality they are old technology and we don't need them anymore but there is something about them that just keeps you hanging on, maybe nostalgia - who knows.
    Its nice to let twang with a 223 or a 243 if you ever get the chance in your lifetime and i've been lucky enough to have shot a 7.62 SLR as well as those but there's just something about springers that has you hooked especially if you've tuned and worked on the action yourself.
     
  15. landymick

    landymick Keyboard Hero

    Messages:
    2,952
    Likes Received:
    1,102
    Location:
    Sheffield
    The thing is with a springer there is no need of extra kit such as charging bottles or co2 capsules.As for old so is pneumatic power.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice