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Open Ticket?

Discussion in 'Firearms Certificate (FAC) Guns' started by harry brown, May 14, 2014.

  1. harry brown

    harry brown Banned

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    What is the minimum time before you can apply for an 'Open ticket' When my FEO visited he said he'd allow me one after 18 months providing I kept my nose clean. I've read some people are issued with an open ticket from day one? Others it appears wait 5yrs.
    Again, it's probably different in neighbouring counties.

    I ask because I've found some more land to shoot occasionally when in that area which is suitable IMO and also been invited by my Uncle to shoot some land he owns up country, which is not gonna be often.

    I'm not in any rush but wouldn't mind sooner rather than later.
     
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    I've read somewhere that there is now no such thing as "open ticket" as they all come with various restrictions. Give your FEO a call and ask him again what he thinks.
     
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    If there's restrictions on your ticket stating where your guns can be used, then you'll need to have these looked at by your FEO to get them changed.

    I've heard of such restrictions being put in place depending on experience with certain guns, and the land you will be using them on.
     
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    It states 'land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area the land is situated' It doesn't say which land. But what if it's not been cleared, this is what the FEO said I could assess myself after a probation period. Also if shooting in other counties their police might not have the same policy?

    He didn't put any restrictions on my knowledge or handling after he read the dossier he turned up with at my door. He was satisfied that I knew/understood about safe handling and arc's of fire/backstops etc.
     
  5. neiled

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    Mine has very similar if not the same wording and my FEO said most, if not all farm land was "deemed suitable by the chief officer of police" and would be ok for me to shoot on provided I had the owners permission.
     
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    So can you shoot on any farm land in your county providing you have owners/tenants permission? Also where would you stand travelling into a different force area?
     
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    I believe I would be ok on any farmland in North Wales provided I had permission but I'd ask the farmer/tenant first if he knew it had been cleared for FAC first just to be on the safe side. Outside of North Wales I'm not sure and I'd need to check up on this.

    Where are all the old heads when you need them...............
     
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    Best thing to do is call your FEO for clarification. At least this way you can't claim you didn't know as it may cause issues at renewal time if you've gotton into bother for the conditions.
     
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    Yes I'll do that. Better safe than sorry.
     
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    Dont know about other areas but mine was made open 18 months ago after 4 years but i had to ask and did so when i put in for a variation.
     
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    I got mine on an open ticket first time with no previous experience with centre fire
     
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    So can you select ground to shoot (permission assumed) without clearance from the police? Also can you shoot in different counties?
     
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    My shoots are in another county from where i live
    It says on my ticket that i can only shoot on land which i have permission so if i get more land to shoot i will be covered unless i inspect it and reject it for that calibre
     
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  14. Kyska

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    If you have an FAC you can shoot anywhere in the UK, county borders make no difference.

    Put simply, a 'closed' ticket means you can shoot anywhere, if you have permission from the landowner and the land has been surveyed by an FEO or similar and passed as suitable for the calibre you are going to use, an 'open' ticket means the same as above, but the FAC holder makes the judgment on whether the land is safe or not.

    Re having restrictions lifted, its down to the individual, if you put 5000 rounds through a year, you're likely to get a ticket opened, but again, its very much down to the licencing manager and force internal policy.

    Most say 3 years, or on first renewal.
     
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    Thanks Kyska

    I knew we'd get someone come on that could explain it better for us newbies......:up:
     
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    Spot on advice. Just to add, if you had lots of permissions in the first year or so, the FEOs get a bit fed up looking at them for approval. They also know that you have been safe (or not) and sometime open your fac up earlier so that you can judge if it a safe place.
     
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    You never ask for an open ticket because it can never be truly open, you apply to have restrictions taken off, i applied after 12 months after keeping 6 month shooting diary and logging outings with local police, just wanted my rimmie and fac air restrictions taking off and it was done within 2 weeks of applying, the diary helped massively
     
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    the restrictions on where you can shoot are in effect the closed part of the ticket, if you apply, as some members have and been granted an open ticket (it does not say open or closed on the license), then it is, what is commonly refereed to as "open", you only apply to have restrictions lifted if your wording states the land deemed suitable by the chief of police, the quarry restrictions are relating to the caliber, not where you can shoot

    I got mine opened up after 18 months up to & including .223 but then when I got a .243 it remained closed until renewal

    it differs massively depending on your region
     

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