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Open ticket?

Discussion in 'Firearms Certificate (FAC) Guns' started by kevinmac, Feb 23, 2012.

  1. kevinmac

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    Hi guys,
    Received my fac on tuesday:),on one of the conditions it states"the undernoted firearms and ammunition including expanding ammunition or missiles of such ammunition to which this certificate relates shall be used for the purposes specified,including zeroing,namely-.22IN RIMFIRE-B/ACTION,and the-.22IN SOUND MODERATOR(RR) for shooting vermin on land over which the holder has permission to shoot with that class of firearm from the person by whom shooting rights are owned or from whom they may be leased or othewise obtained".
    Does this mean I have an open ticket? I'm also unsure what .22IN stands for.I applied for .22LR.
    Sorry for the long winded first post but any help woud be appreciated.
    PS. Kyska, your write up on the FAC application was a brilliant help,cheers:up:
     
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  2. ths

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    Yes i believe so, if its closed it says something along the lines of "deemed suitable by the Chief Officer etc"


    Edit: But call your Firearms department and give them your cert number/ surname and they will tell you directly what type of ticket you have. Depending on your Team most wont hand out a open cert for the first 12 months on your first time applying so feel honored if thats the case!
     
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    Thanks for the reply ths. I'll try and call them tomorrow.
    Next stop the local RFD:D.
     
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    Agree with ths, above - I would guess that you have an open ticket - Brill!! BUT, since its only a phone call, I would ask the FEO - it is what (s)he is for...and their answer will be definitive:)

    "IN" would, IMO, be an abbreviation for "INch", which would make sense. I have seen "inch" abbreviated any and all ways you can imagine on drawings etc. As you may know, the more conventional abbreviation for inch is the double quote symbol, ". But does seem a bit weird on an FAC, mine lists what you and I both asked for as ".22RF rifle" - though mine has no mention of action type - infact my FEO said he doesn't like specifying actions....

    ATB

    Sim

    Perhaps its some "new" european directive type ****, regarding metrication or some such. 5.59mmRF anyone?!?!?!:D

    +1 on Kyska's write up.:up:
     
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  5. Dan Giliballs

    Dan Giliballs Dave Boy Green ate my Trifle!!!!

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    You can interpret that either way imo, the wording " for shooting vermin on land over which the holder has permission to shoot with that class of firearm"

    It's the end bit that could mean it's closed as the words "with that class of firearm" sounds like it's linked to the land so could be some new politically correct wording to please someone which means it clouds the issue.

    Or

    It could be generalised terminology to cover all calibers and land

    To me it doesn't say one way or the other but i'm leaning towards closed
     
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    Thanks Sim, will ask about "IN" when I phone about the ticket.
    Firearms dept actually phoned me because the FEO had'nt mentioned what action type in his notes I wanted, despite the fact I had put it on my application.
    It states on the application form you must specify the action.....the girl in the firearms dept said the FEO should know better!!
    Thanks again mate
     
  7. Kyska

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    ...its an open ticket.

    Ring to check, but I'm pretty sure its an open ticket.
     
  8. kevinmac

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    Hi Kyska,
    Gonna ring tomorrow to double check....but the wording does make it sound like an open ticket.
    Either way I'm just delighted to have my license:), I've got 2 permissions (over 250 acres) full of bunnies.
    Will be looking to upgrade to a foxing calibre rifle, FEO said give it between 6-12 months to apply, as one of permissions has a serious fox problem. Land owner has said he will gladly write a letter in support of this whenever I want.
    Thanks again
     
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    If you have a need for a fox calibre, they have no reason to refuse you now fella. Check what your force will accept as a minimum on your conditions, I have to use a centrefire, which is sensible, but at sensible ranges the two higher power rimfires do the job.

    Go and buy a gun!
     
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    you should have applied for them together .
    i asked for 22lr . 17 hmr . 223
    the land had already been passed for all three
    when my licence ame it had all three on it
     
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    Just thinking the bit with "that class of firearm" could mean what the land is cleared for and if your ticket allows that calibre, ie land is not cleared for fac then no fac can be used.

    But a 5 min call will sort it, my ticket doesn't state an action type on my 22lr which is nice.
     
  12. Dan Giliballs

    Dan Giliballs Dave Boy Green ate my Trifle!!!!

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    That's what I was saying or trying to say - lol

    seems a little non committal to me which means it's open to interpretation, which is never a good thing when an FAC is involved
     
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    Phoned today, it's an open ticket.
    Know what you mean ady about non committal but they say "that class of firearm" means that the landowner has to agree what firearm can be used on his land eg...22LR, and provided I have that firearm on my certificate all is good:). A pity they can't just state open ticket to avoid confusion:confused:
    Anyway,delighted to have it straight off.
    Thanks for all the replies guys
     
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    lol you lucky so and so!
     
  15. Dan Giliballs

    Dan Giliballs Dave Boy Green ate my Trifle!!!!

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    That's good news, nice one, but a little confusing when the FEO comes to me and talks about experience and closed ticket for certain calibers even though I've had different centerfires before this etc etc , then grant an open ticket on first application based on the Farmers consent!! - I suppose it's the different counties, different attitudes thing rearing it's head again
     
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    Yeah,different counties different rules.
    Experience wise I had 4 years in the army (infantry) so I guess that covered my capabilities with weapon handling. I still thought it best to start off .22LR and work my way up the ladder and that seemed to go down well with the FEO. Like I say he reckoned 6-12 months with no issues and I should apply for a foxing calibre rifle.
     
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    Funnily enough being in the army should have no onus on the fac process (I bet myself and others shot more rounds than you did in the 4 years!), and again, if you have a need for a 'fox calibre' you should get one.
     
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    It was one of my referees that mentioned it and the FEO did think it would help with my application for obvious reasons (weapon handling). As for shooting more rounds than me I did'nt realise it was a competition:confused: but if it makes you feel good I'll not dispute that (even though I know your wrong:D) Seriously though, thanks for your help
     
  19. Kyska

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    No not at all, just meaning that military applications are very different to civilian, I imagine its hard for a FEO ,unless ex military himself, to understand the gravity...sorry if I can across like that, not intended old bean.
     
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    does this mean no semi auto rifles, just bolt actions?

    do you have to specify a semi on your application
     
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