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Nooby needs advise

Discussion in 'Shotguns (SGC)' started by tomsteebs, May 3, 2014.

  1. tomsteebs

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    Afternoon,

    I work on a livestock and arable farm and foxes are becoming an issue.
    A fac is not an option as the wait and drawbacks/restrictions to land are too great as much as I would really really love a rimfire.

    Anyway would a sgc be relatively cheap and easy to acquire and would a shotgun be suitable for foxes?


    Pump actions the way?

    How much am I looking to be spending for something similar to that of air arms/weihrauch/daystate quality in terms of shotguns though.?

    And how long do they take/what do I require?

    Is it basically the same laws of use as an airgun?
    Atb
    Tom
     
  2. terry1001

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    The SGC is probably easier to get than a FAC but there won't be a lot in in or in the time it takes which will depend to a great extent on your particular police force and firearms department.
    A shotgun with suitable cartridges and plenty of choke will be more than enough to kill foxes, I think one of the members on here posted some details of his foxing shotgun quite recently. Rimfire cartridges are ok for foxes at close range but it seems that some police forces don't like their use for that, a small centrefire is probably more effective.
    If the foxes are starting to become a problem you might do well to consider finding a member in your area who is an experienced fox shooter to deal with the immediate problem and show you the ropes while you look into getting your own equipment.
    Usage is the same for all shooting really but you have considerations of more noise etc and the danger zone is much greater.
    Pump action and semi auto shotguns are mostly at the budget end of the market and prices vary. If it's just going to be used for foxes, odd crows etc I would go for a pump action, chambered for magnum cartridges and with 3/4 or full choke (or multichokes). They will cycle anything that fits in the chamber which isn't always the case with semi autos. I used a Mossberg 500 for Practical Shotgun and it was 100% reliable with anything that I put through it and I would happily buy another if the need arose. I don't know what the cost might be but a trawl around some of the online sites should give you a fair idea.
     
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    It could be advantageous if you looked into a trapping and snaring regime.
     
  4. tomsteebs

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    We have a trap but we are only getting 1 every couple of weeks if that. But chicken attacks are more common, aswell as sightings....
     
  5. jesim1

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    I agree that an experienced member would be happy to help out, also the shotgun is very effective against foxes, especially if you use 3" magnum cartridges loaded with say 1/2/3 size shot - Goose loads basically. Range is the only issue, it depends how friendly your foxes are, or if you can corner them. When I've hunted them with a shotgun in the past we had about a dozen guns each 50m apart and swept large areas giving them no where to hide. Use the land to corner them for best effect, and a guy with a rifle in case they do not cooperate can also be handy.

    You can pick up a cheap shotgun for a couple of hundred pounds that you don't mind throwing in a pickup, I used to spend a bit on mine, but they were like my air rifles and kept mint, I would not be as bothered if it was bought as a tool rather than a hobby. The pump actions are good for the multi shot reason, but I think they restricted the number some years ago? You also have to watch out for the 3" shells I mentioned, some pumps will not take them.

    James
     
  6. r10hunter

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    In my opinion,
    Yes shotguns are a great method of fox control. They come into their own in woodland and scrubby areas, that a rifle would be hard to use in. They can often be used where it is not safe to use a centre fire rifle.
    Forget Rimfire for foxes it has to be a head shot and foxes are not very good at keeping their head still for you.

    For a DEDICATED quality foxing shotgun I would want the following.
    The gun must be able to take 3 1/2 inch cartridges.

    The gun must have a Semi auto recoil reducing action. (pumps are uncomfortable to shoot with 3 1/2 inch cartridges, they recoil that hard you will be slow on a second shot if there is more than one fox, or you need a follow up shot.)

    The gun needs to have scope rails ( a running game scope and a night vision add on can then be fitted. I use video goggles so that there is no light from a screen and you don't make any movement keep putting the gun to your eye)
    A 1.5-6 power etc running game scope is a bonus even when day time calling as it allows very accurate placement of your shot with tight chokes.

    I would want a tighter than full aftermarket choke. (Extra full or a specialist choke.)

    As you say your ground is not that safe you would be better sticking to a 64 gram "0" or BB lead pellet cartridge. Effective to 60ish yards. Or if your land is really unsafe you will need to use a smaller pellet size and reduce range.

    The new heavier than lead stuff is awesome and kills at very long range but they are not as safe as the smaller lower power lead pellets and they need special chokes.

    You will also need a selection of fox calls. You can spend huge money on fox calls but some basic ones like these will work.
    http://www.wamfoxcall.co.uk
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320718941395
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351056650809
    Night vision is the thing that will really make the difference for you. Either gun mounted or use a monocular and fit a lamp to the gun. Gun mounted is much better.
    It will no worth your while making one of these, they will help you know at what time to sit out and wait for foxes.
    http://www.airgunforum.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=179024

    High seats also give an advantage. But more expense.

    Other effective shotgun fox control methods are to drive areas that foxes are in ( woods etc) to a few shotgunners stops waiting, and to shoot them on the combine field as they run from the combine.
    At the end of the day it's all down to what you want to spend. You will kill foxes with a £60 single barrel 12 bore, a torch, and a wam call. The more gear and the better gear the easier it gets and the more foxes you kill.
    Good luck.
    Cheers Andy
     
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  7. tomsteebs

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    Very thorough thanks
     
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    No problem.
    I forgot to mention in the above post. One of the ways you will kill the most foxes of the whole year with the shotgun.

    From the end of May foxes will leave their earths and move into fields of tall crop.
    You want camo and a head net and gloves on.
    If you find a nice wide tram line or browsed off area put your electric caller 30ish yards up it and call. Pay attention that an approaching fox can't wind you.
    Alternate between mobbing crow and a rabbit squeal but using more squeal than crow. (In day light) and various squeals in the dark.
    Once you have shot don't rush to pick up the fox keep calling, often another will be close behind and it's common to shoot a second fox next too his brother or sister.

    We also use these next to the caller they keep the foxes attention off you. http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/190344997072?nav=SEARCH
    We probably kill over half the foxes that we kill in a year using this method. ( we use all kinds of fox control. Traps, snares, rifles, drives, shotguns, combine field shooting)
    Cheers Andy
     
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  9. Kyska

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    Have you not got someone with a rifle to help you out?

    As said by our learned friends, shotguns are fine for fox in the right situation.

    If you want a headstart, I shouldn't be far from you if you want a few marmalising with a rifle.
     
  10. tomsteebs

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    Hi,

    Ironically yes we do but they are not doing the shooting full time. I have thought of getting a sgc for a while and thought this was a good opportunity, as I would enjoy it where as they do it more as a need (but it's not there Fox problem you see.)
    I'll have to see what are options are as I'm just a worker not a owner sort of thing.
    I don't know if I'd even be aloud tbh, but I think they would as they've mentioned getting a rifle/shotgun etc...

    Where abouts are you?
    Cheers
     
  11. Kyska

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    Im North Leicestershire, South notts, Loughborough is the nearest leices town.

    Its just an offer, I'm not looking for permission of land, I have plenty, but if you need a hand to look at the problem, I could.

    You need to get a shotgun anyway, clay shooting is always good fun, and if you have some land, all the better.
     
  12. tomsteebs

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    Well this is sort of good news, my bosses have said they would pay for the license (fac or shotgun) if I bought the kit and shot foxes for them. Sounds alright.

    So now the question is sgc vs fac
    Which is the way to go?
     
  13. r10hunter

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    That depends on what your land is like.

    If you have medium / large fields with good backstops, limited roads, footpaths, animals and houses. Not that much cover or scrub to deflect bullets. Fac centre fire rifle.

    If you have more broken up land that does not have good backstops, with roads, footpaths, animals and houses. Or you need to shoot into cover / on scrubby land. shotgun.

    A very experienced member/ fox shooter "kyska" is near you and offered to help. He may well take a look at the land for you and advise you what to go for.
    If the land is suitable for rifle apply for the rifle and shotgun at the same time, you will always use the shotgun and it only costs £10 extra if you apply for them both together.
    You need not buy both guns at once.
    Cheers Andy
     
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  14. tomsteebs

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    Cheers, should have added it's fac cleared I think as we have a game keeper next door and I think one of the guys on the farm also uses it as his 'home land'
    The fields are arable mainly and about 400-500m wide/long roughly
     
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    On arable fac centre fire winter.
    Shotgun summer.
    Put in for both, by the time you get your fac and sgc the harvest will have been. Buy your rifle, calls, etc.
    By next spring when the crops get up too high for the rifle you will have saved up some more money for the shotgun.
    Get someone with centre fire experience to walk the land with you before you do anything.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    Winchester sxp - 3 shot pump 12 gauge
    26"barrel
    3" chamber

    These are cheap and cheerful , he'll of a good pump action for the price . Only at £345 new

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