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Advice New Scope Time Mtc Or Element Optics?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by simmo5159, Jun 30, 2020.

  1. simmo5159

    simmo5159 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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    I have decided to treat myself to a new scope.

    I have like may others been waiting for the new Element Optics scopes to become available. I was initially looking at the Element Titan, but it seems heavy at 39oz. I am therefore now leaning towards the SFP Helix at about £334, as I think the Titan is probably over the top for air gun distances, even at FAC energy levels.

    Unfortunately, I have again been looking at the MTC offerings, and the

    MTC Cobra F1 IR - 4-16×50 raises its head again , but I question if a FFP can be had for £258.99?

    So the $64.000 question is, are they any good, or has there been too many compromises to meet the price? I would appreciate any responses in relation to MTC quality in general, and any specific feed back on this scope.


    Ta
    Julian
     
  2. metalman

    metalman Big Poster

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    There was a member on here that was going to do a review on the Helix,, might have missed it, but i too was looking at the Element offering
     
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    Regal Man Very Active

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    Some people spend , 3k on air rifle scopes. There is no right or wrong , depends what you want it for.
     
  4. Spray1Mark

    Spray1Mark I see light at the end of the tunnel!

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    Get yourself the VORTEX DBT! much better than anything else on the market below £500-
     
  5. Billbill

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    IV had a helix now for 3 weeks been out about 6 times very very clear glass I also have a nightforce shv and I'd say the glass is just as good IV been yousing the turrets alot and they do as well as the nightforce.for tracking . the glass is better than any hawke IV had and any MTC /optisan IV done side by side and the helix is better glass. have a look through one I think you will be surprised
     
  6. Spray1Mark

    Spray1Mark I see light at the end of the tunnel!

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    Since penning this I would have to say the TITAN is way way, way! better than the DBT, the HELIX is as good if not slightly better, turrets are better and it has a zero stop system also!
     
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    They've got a lifetime no question warranty if I have any troubles with mines it goes back but i don't think I'm going to have any troubles works perfectly and is way better than MTC hawke optisan IV had them so I can say that
     
  9. Tim_B

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    So for me...in order of quality of glass.....

    titan beats vortex DBT and the helix by quite some way.

    vortex DBT beats the helix glass, but it’s a lot closer.

    helix is a helluva scope for the money, with clear glass.

    personally I would go helix because the dbt which is 200 quid more isn’t “worth” the extra imo (it’s that close). The Titan which is 200 quid more than the dbt is easily worth 200 for the glass, but personally I don’t want a 34mm tube

    so whilst I have 3 vortex dbt’s and 1 helix, if I were to buy another scope it would be a helix.
     
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    The DBT has the warranty but at 200 more is it worth it.
    The lack of zero stop and 6mils per revolution and no revolution markers would make me choose the element scopes over the DBT.
    I have the DBT and the above are niggles that annoy me, otherwise a fantastic scope.
     
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