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New Scope Problems

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by CaveyAvey, Jul 11, 2020.

  1. CaveyAvey

    CaveyAvey Member

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    Hi all, first post so be gentle!

    Just had the local gunsmith attach a new Hawke Airmax 30 compact to my AirArms S400 carbine .22

    trying to zero at 20 metres and it’s shooting low, very low! Even with elevation turret fully out, still shooting 6-8 inches low but pellet on pellet. Before looking at shims or Mount adjusters, has anyone dealt with this and what are the most obvious issues to check first?

    thank you!
     
  2. mikeyhall1

    mikeyhall1 BRIT SEALS - M & M Products - TbT

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    Just before you start looking at the scope mate, always worth putting the gun over the chrono just to mate sure that’s not low on power
     
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  3. CaveyAvey

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    Thanks Mike. Will do that. It’s a PCP with full charge.
     
  4. rizla1

    rizla1 hi

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    I would take scope back off and swap mounts around and try again, what mounts are you using :thumb:
     
  5. Septic

    Septic Superbus et Vetera

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    It’s a common problem with air rifles... you can fit a thin strip of plastic cut from a milk carton under the scope tube, on the rear mount... But loosen both top clamps first and don’t tighten them back down any tighter than necessary...

    Better still... Buy adjustable mounts... I know they’re expensive... But well worth the money... I buy mine from.. https://eaglevisioncam.com/product-category/scope-mount/
     
  6. td_boy

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    Might be worth checking the front clamp hasn't taken a clout and twisted down.
    A quick sight down the top of the barrel and check the centrality in relation to the barrel should show up that kind of error.

    Forget shimming... it's a bodge to correct a more serious problem elsewhere - an S400 with a new scope should not need shims.
     
  7. Roger Archbold

    Roger Archbold Busy Member

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    I've seen this before on a CZ 452 the bullet was clipping on a SAK moderator, and I ran out of adjustment, shooting low all the time
    Check the end of the moderator.
    What moderator is it ?
     
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    Mamba86 Busy Member

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    Someone was selling some on here the other day.

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  9. CaveyAvey

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    thanks for replying. I don’t think it’s the moderator, have removed it and tried without it.
     
  10. CaveyAvey

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    Thanks for replying. That’s what I thought. Brand new scope and brand new mounts. Wondered if the mounts were set correctly? What would one look for to check?
     
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    What's your location maybe some kind member could have a look over the set up with a fresh pair of eyes and may notice the issue
     
  12. CaveyAvey

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    Thank you! North Cornwall
     
  13. td_boy

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    Did you have the old or do you have another scope/mount combo you can try?
    If you don't, does the gunsmith who fitted them?

    At least then it narrows it down a bit...
     
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    Back to RFD if this is a newly purchased setup
     
  15. CaveyAvey

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    Thank you for the reply. Unfortunately new scope is a 30mm tube, old one was 1”!!!
     
  16. td_boy

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    No matter, if that scope goes on and zeros without shimming then there is an issue with either the new scope or the new mounts.
    If you got them both from the same place - just return as being faulty and let them sort it out.
     
  17. Victor Robert Allaway

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    You say the RFD fitted the scope? Now I'm not suggesting anything untoward but I'd start by taking it all off, checking as you go. First check closely that nothing appears misaligned. It is easy to not properly engage on the rail, making one of the mounts cock up. Make sure both clamps are fitted the same way up, they are fitted one way up for a 9mm rail and the other way up to suit an 11mm rail. Once the caps are off and the scope removed, ease the mounts so you can place them alongside each other. Are they the same height? If there were two guns being fitted with scopes they could have accidentally switched the mounts halfway through the job after the phone rang with a long enquiry... Talking of which, is there any visible difference between the two mounts? The only difference I'd expect is that one will have an arrestor pin that screws down into a hole in the rail (on a springer) to stop it sliding under recoil. If you don't sort out this pin it will hold that mount up off the rail and could account for your problem. Confession time - I missed this when first mounting the scope on my S400. When I found it was misaligned and wouldn't stay tight, I located the pin into one of the barrel retaining screw holes in the front rail. The other option is to remove the arrestor screw, not really needed as a PCP doesn't recoil.

    Even if you don't spot anything wrong, reassemble it gently and carefully, wriggle everything gently as you fit it to make sure it is correctly snugged into place. Put both mounts the same way round, with the locking plates on the same side of the gun. This type of mount will always be slightly to one side of the barrel as they have one fixed side and the other adjustable - get them crossed and you'll be way off centre on the windage turret! Once its all together and you've sorted the position to give correct eye relief, check the vertical of the reticle aligns with the barrel before tightening up the screws. This should be done by degrees, keeping the gaps even both sides. Either use a mini torque wrench or your calibrated fingers on the short leg of the allen key to avoid overtightening and crimping the scope tube. Now have another go at zeroing your sights!

    A good RFD will have done all this, though he may have left the job to the Saturday help who happens to be a brainless t**t (like me). Once you concentrate and think it through, it's quite easy - but I seem to need to learn by my mistakes. That's been a lot of learning.

    Rob.

    P.S. I recently chaned my Hawke 30mm mounts for BKLs, so if you find a problem and the RFD can't or won't sort it, drop me a PM and I can send them. At least I can tell you they worked fine on my gun.
     
  18. BallisticBill

    BallisticBill Looking outside the box

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    What make are the mounts... Hawke? :down:

    If they are interchangeable, swap the front and back to see if that makes any difference. If not, then the mounts must be the same height so possibly a problem with the scope.

    Never mind where the rifle is shooting for this test. Check the scope by setting the to mechanical centre - count the turret rotations. Then see how close that is to optical centre. Two ways of doing this, one is to use a mirror, the other to rotate the scope in the mounts to see if the reticle holds a target - counting the rotations/clicks to get from mechanical to optical centre. If the optical and mechanical centres are not close (differing by, say, more than 10% of the adjustment range) or you can't get it to hold a target when rotated, the scope is faulty.
     

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