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new gun fresh out of the box running hot

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by scottroutledge, Jul 27, 2014.

  1. scottroutledge

    scottroutledge Engaging Member

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    As the title says! My friend just bought a gun from a local Rfd and when checked with a chrono and bisley magnums it's running 12.5 this is not good! Should he contact the manufacturer and make them aware of this as some poor amateur could end up doing jail as a result of this. Is it down to a lack of quality control ? Is it necessary for rfd's to chrono every gun that comes into their shop? Imo the guns should be tested before leaving the manufacturer! Would really appreciate your opinions and thoughts on this matter.
    Cheers Scott
     
  2. gasman

    gasman Up a bit,,,,,,,

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    take it back to gun shop
     
  3. Ganton Gunner

    Ganton Gunner Super Duper Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    what he said ^ :up:
     
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    His contract is with the shop and he should take it back immediately. By all means contact the manufacturer and complain.
    It would really be in the dealers best interests to check the power before handing over the gun and they should also check that everything is there and in the condition you'd expect. The dealer has committed an offence by supplying a firearm to someone who is not authorised to possess it if it does turn out to be over the limit.
     
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    essex sniper Banned

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    As said take it back but no one would go to prison for being .5 over atb
     
  6. mattyts

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    I hope you're right but I wouldn't want to test it out.

    I don't expect common sense to prevail in a courtroom to be honest,in the eyes of the law 12.1 ftlb and 20 ftlb are the same thing,it's a daft system.
     
  7. Stevie Darling

    Stevie Darling Sexual tyrannosaurus

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    How many people have rifles using something like falcon acc+ at about 11.3, put a biz mag through it its going to go over!!

    My ultra was 11.4 with rws s/domes out of the box, if I was to use bizmags, again it would of went over!

    Put bizmags through most rifles, they are going over!!
     
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    Matty its a new gun straight from a shop it would even get to court mate .I see what your saying but .5 on a new gun wouldnt worry me in the slightest id just take it back atb
     
  9. scottroutledge

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    Am I right in thinking that the manufacturer/supplier is the 1 at fault as the gun should never have left its place of origin in the first place when over the limit. I really think that they need to be aware of this! Poor quality control like this could tarnish us airgunners if the odd few unsuspecting people were to be syopped and have hot guns taken off them for testing!!.
    Keep the replies coming guys thanks.
    Scott
     
  10. r10hunter

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    While the gun should not have gone overpower, remember the heat we are having this summer will have an affect on many guns some more than others. It is very difficult for a gun shop to know how a gun will behave once it leaves the shop. Air guns are mechanical the gun can go over power because of some grease melting etc etc etc.

    If the manufactures set the power at 10ftlbs to be safe we will complain to the shop. If they set the power at 11.3ftlbs and the gun goes over we will complain to the shop.

    Is the best answer not for the manufactures to no longer fit anti tamper so in a red hot summer guns can be adjusted accordingly by the users??
    As everyone has said take the gun back to the shop.
    Cheers Andy
     
  11. scottroutledge

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    Forgot to state its a spring powered .22
     
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    different police forces would act differently on this, the option of having gun destroyed and its left at that, possible gun dealer being in trouble for allowing it to leave the shop running warm. if the police decided to charge you you can bet your boots the CPS would want the max 5 years jail, and if you have previous convictions it would not be looking good for you because as you know its mandatory.

    a little off topic
    i dont really like some of the "tuning threads" on here, some of you guys know your stuff and know how to tune but also know how to keep things legal, iam guessing their are alot of members here with hot rifles/pistols and not realizing it. only last week a had the chance of a hw77 in .177,,,,as soon has a cocked it a could could tell it had been tuned so out with the chrony and it was running 15.6ftlb
     
  13. mattyts

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    It's still an FAC rated rifle and I bet it would go to court if the OP was caught with it while out shooting,and as someone below said,the CPS wouldn't hold back.

    I'd hope it would just be a caution and have the gun destroyed type thing.
     
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  14. scottroutledge

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    The point im trying to get at is ! Whos fault is this in the first place tho is it manufacturer? Or the rfd ? Is it the norm for rfd's to have to chrony every new gun that they recieve before putting it up for sale? Could this also be the result of the gun bedding in , the warm weather, and the bisley magnums?
    Cheers scott
     
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    IMO it should be chronod at every stage, leaving the factory,entering the shop and leaving the shop.

    Your gun is spring powered so lighter pellets would give higher readings.
     
  16. Chinnymonster81

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    As far a the law is concerned it's your fault as the offence is for possession. The RFD has commited the different offence of supplying to a non ticket holder. A laughable and crap situation as accountability should run all the way back to the manufacturer/importer. BASC insurance now carries an aditional legal expenses cover for this very thing as standard because it's a contentious issue with AT installed, plus I think that if they won a case then legislation may get changed to eradicate the issue once and for all either by allowing leeway/increasing off ticket power or all on ticket and having perhaps a part 3 licence for airguns. Unless they get awkward about losing and everything goes part 1.
     
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    Return to Dealer - and advise manufacture

    As I have Stated many times over the years

    If you do not test with your pellet Choice before parting with Funds

    You are asking for Trouble

    No Manufactures Checkes All Guns before Delivery - they Are Batched Tested

    Their Target is normally around 10.FP with a Standard Pellet

    Being aware that it will increase with other pellets and as it seats in with use

    There has been cases where Gun's have been Destroyed for being over - New - It's the Customer who controls power

    As stated they should have seen it before parting with Funds - Shop no Chrono - No Buy - It's your person that accepts it -

    BOB/R
     
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    What did you chrono it with. if it was a combro as good as they are they can give some weird readings on springers especially break barrels .
     
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    If as you say this is a brand new springer, straight out of the box, with no running in, you could be experiencing a spot of dieseling.
    This should burn off at some point. Run a couple of hundred pellets through the barrel and try the chrono again.
    With regard to the law, it is very straight forward. The person found in possession is responsible for the rifle and its power level.
    If the RFD only holds a licence for sub 12ft lbs air rifles, he is also guilty of dealing in FAC rifles with no licence.
    Take it back to the dealer if it stays overpower.
     
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    It will only be an issue bitching about it on an open forum & drawing attention to the fact. You knew it was over after testing, take it back & explain politely the situation & as long as the RFD is a reputable one it will get sorted/exchanged. Or of course if you are that concerned about it, could hand it over to the police for destruction in the knowledge that this WMD has been removed from society :rolleyes:

    John:)
     

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